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Manslations Reader Request: 16 Years Old and Frustrated!

Welcome back to another week at Manslations.com. Today, I’m tackling another reader request. We’ve got a young lady named Karina (second Karina this month, for those of you who keep track of such statistics. Anyone? No?) who is confused by her male compatriots.

(Manslator’s Note: She didn’t use the word “compatriots.” I’m beginning to think I shouldn’t have either. She’s not in the rebel army, right?)

Anyway, Karina writes:

Help. I am 16 years old, and all my friends date a lot. I dont really date much.
I am fairly good-looking, meaning I can date as much as my friends. but I am picky.

I started talking to a guy on myspace. He found me through mutual friends spaces. He just moved to jersey from NY just like I did last year. Thats why he contacted me. He said he heard I was a good girl and wanted to meet me. We went out for dinner and had a good time. He asked me for a kiss so I kissed him. He said he would call me the next day, and he did.. right on time. He picked me up that night and we went to his house to watch movies. We cuddled and kissed, nothing else. He was respectful. I met his Aunt and Uncle and they seemed to like me. He dropped me off, and asked me if he could call me the next day. I said yes. He never called. 2 days later, he IMed me on AIM. He asked how my day was, told me about his and then said brb. He never came back. I havent talked to him since. The last time I saw him he gave me his favorite sweater because it was cold; and I still have it.

Today I went on his myspace and saw him talking to a bunch of girls.
I am pretty sure I will see him again since I do have his sweater.

My problem is this isnt the first time a guy didnt call me after things seemed to be going good.

To me, this guy made it seem like we would start dating.

The last guy I liked, did the same thing. We met, went out on little dates etc., and things seemed to be going great. In both cases there was good conversation, chemistry, everything seemed fine. They both told me they would call me the next day, and never did.
Its almost like waking up and not knowing who that person is.

I dont understand why this keeps happening. They just wake up and never call me again. I feel as if maybe they lost interest, but at the same time the last times I spoke to both of them, things seemed GREAT.

I tried different approaches. Not calling, calling after 2 weeks, etc. Its weird because now it seems like they treat me like I was just a hookup, but at the time it seemed that they were very into me.

This all happened recently, I never really had this problem before.

(Manslator’s Note: Reading this request made me feel like I was about, oh, a hundred years old or so.)

Dear Karina,

First of all, I’d like to begin by apologizing to you in advance on behalf of the male gender for all the crap that’s in store for you. At sixteen, well, obviously you’ve got most of the nonsense ahead of you. The fact that you’re asking these questions NOW is a good sign. But sadly, there’s going to be an awful lot of what you describe for a while yet.

So, to your question. Why is a guy treating you like a hookup when at the time it seemed like he was into you? There are 2 parts of this that will tell you a lot.

…AT THE TIME…” and “…SEEMED…

So, at the time, this guy was respectful, paying attention, affectionate, etc., right? But then, when you weren’t with him, he suddenly seemed to lose interest?

Karina, seriously, tons of women (of all ages) find this exact thing to be the #1 most confusing thing about men. “He liked me, and then he suddenly stopped — wha happa?” Ok, here’s a harsh truth that, if you learn it now, is going to put you WAY ahead of the game:

HARSH TRUTH THAT ALL WOMEN, IF THEY LEARN IT, IS GOING TO PUT THEM WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME (even if they’re not 16):

(Probably could have gone with a more elegant title for this section. Meh, what’s done is done.)

If a guy pays you a lot of attention once or twice, and then stops, he didn’t “lose interest.” He never had it. You didn’t do anything to blow it. You didn’t “drive him away.” He most definitely didn’t get “scared by his feelings.” These things never happen. Ever. I promise. He pretended to be interested because he sensed it’s what you wanted him to do, usually with “hooking up” in mind.

At this age, men are thinking about sex and women slightly more than 100% of the time. That sounds like an exaggeration. It is NOT. However much you THINK he’s thinking about it, it’s way more than that. Even the really nice guys. And when he’s around a woman who is either a.) attractive, b.) willing, or (god help him) c.) both, he’s going to be trying to get somewhere with her. And he’s going to be trying to overcome whatever obstacles might be in his way.

Welcome to male “mixed signals.” (And I apologize.)

See, if he senses that you don’t want to be just a hookup, his brain tells him, “Right — the challenge is that she won’t make out with me if she thinks this is just a hookup. Solution: Must pretend not to be a hookup.” It seems so reasonable to the male brain, we often don’t even know we’re doing it. And so, during the time when you’re together, suddenly, he’s trying to be whatever he thinks you want him to be in order to make out with him. And if he’s good at this, you might not be able to tell the difference. At least not right away.

Now, it sounds like I’m saying that all guys are liars who are just trying to get into your pants. And…well…I’m not exactly saying that. But…well, ok, I’m probably kind of saying that. But what I’m ALSO saying is, they’re NOT going to tell you what they’re after. Seriously, they might not know themselves. (We’re pretty dumb about this. And many other things.) You’re going to have to learn to figure out how to tell who’s after what. And if you start to learn how, you’re going to know more than HE knows about him.

HOW CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE?

Well, this is the real trick, isn’t it? To know — among the dudes who are paying attention to you — who wants to date you and who just wants to hook up? Tough to tell, because, as I say, BOTH groups definitely want to hook up. Badly. Pretty much all day long. (Again, sorry, sorry.) The question is, who wants to stick around after the hooking?

Just remember, if there is ever a difference between what he says vs. what he does, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, FORGET WHAT HE SAYS, AND LOOK AT WHAT HE DOES. 

As in, how much time does he want to spend with you? A guy who is ONLY trying to hook up (at any age) is always trying to minimize the amount of non-hookup time he spends with you. Just hanging out, talking, being with you — he’ll do some of that if he thinks that’s what it will take, but he’s aiming for as LITTLE of that as he can get away with.

If a guy really likes you, he wants to spend MORE time with you.

When you first meet him, you won’t always be able to tell. But after a very short while, you’ll see who genuinely wants to spend time with you, and who’s just looking to make out and run.

Again, I apologize for all the crap that men are going to put you through. I promise — there are good guys out there who will be straightforward with you. There are guys who are respectful and genuinely want to be with you because of YOU and not just as a hook up. And it’s just going to take a little time and effort for you to learn how to sift through the a-holes to find the good ones.

Ladies, any words of experience out there for Karina in her time of need?

Why not buy my BOOK? Huh?

Comments

Comment from dee
Time September 24, 2007 at 3:21 pm

Ohmygosh–it took me until 34 to figure this out! Where are all the man-coaches out there when you need them! Our manslations guy is (unfortunately for us clueless girls) right on on this one! My 80 year old grandfather (a former WWII Marine) finally wised me up to what’s REALLY been going on for guys (exactly what Jeff describes above) all these years and boy I wish I knew all this when I was 16! If you are a good girl who looks good, you may have trouble with all those guys who want the good looks but not the good girl and (for some of us) the morals that go with it! Hang in there–I’m out there with you! (You’d think it would change as the guys get older, but it looks like it’s about the same as long as they’ve got testosterone!) Thanks Jeff Mac for being our faithful “man-decoder”!

Comment from Lulu
Time September 24, 2007 at 3:50 pm

dee–34? I’m 48 and I STILL haven’t figured it out! Karina — I’m still asking the same questions. He was nice to me, suddenly I don’t hear anything. Any explanation? No. What happened? I don’t know.

Jeff — where are these straightforward men you promise are out there??

Comment from Terry
Time September 24, 2007 at 5:36 pm

This is brilliant, Jeff. You’ve done the world a great service today. On behalf of all womankind, I thank you.

“ALWAYS, ALWAYS, FORGET WHAT HE SAYS, AND LOOK AT WHAT HE DOES.” You should get a Nobel Prize for that one.

Comment from Dating Goddess
Time September 25, 2007 at 12:49 am

Karina:

You are so smart to ask Jeff this question. He, Dee, Lulu and Terry are all right. I wish my teenaged nieces would listen to the wisdom they’ve shared.

Here’s my suggestion: Print several copies of the page with Jeff’s advice. Put one on your mirror at home, one inside your school locker, and one inside your school notebook. Give copies to all your girlfriends.

Also, remember that if you ever hear yourself or a gal pal say, “I’m going to have sex with this guy because he really cares about me. He’s different” or if a guy says, “I really love you, so have sex with me and I’ll love you forever,” run. Run fast. Don’t fall for it. If he’s one of the rare ones who will call the next day, it won’t last long. If he really loves you, he can wait until you’re 18.

I’m a liberal, but I wish there were a way to make a law to require all girls to wear chastity belts from puberty to age 18. Teenagers get so wrapped around sex. It screws up girls emotionally, so they end up hating themselves and men. Jeff, what’s the male equivalent? I’m sure we could get Bush to legislate this!

OK, I’ll go back into my tower now and wait for my prince to ride up on his white horse. And he better have that darn chastity belt key!

Dating Goddess
Adventures in Delicious Dating After 40
http://www.DatingGoddess.com

Comment from Jeff Mac
Time September 25, 2007 at 6:36 am

dee: Thanks for your comment! And a special thanks to your WW2 Marine-slator!

Lulu: I can’t tell you where those guys are because, if I did, all the a-holes would show up there pretending to be those guys!

Terry: I’ve often thought I should get a Nobel prize. Or a blue ribbon at a county fair, if I keep eating as much as I have been lately.

DatingGoddess: Wait, the male equivalent of a chastity belt? I think that’s “the clothes I wore in high school.”

Comment from Loiralei
Time September 25, 2007 at 1:31 pm

The sad problem women have is we want so badly to believe, to give men the benefit of the doubt. Or we hope we are “different” and he will change if he is with us. And it has nothing to do with us. Its all about them and what they want. He will do the same thing to the next girl.

Comment from Jeff Mac
Time September 26, 2007 at 7:13 am

Loiralei: I hear that all the time — men who are a certain way and women who want to change them. I always say it like this. Imagine trying to change YOUR intake of, say, dessert. Now, imagine trying to change something BIG in someone ELSE. Not so easy, right?

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Comment from Susan
Time October 16, 2007 at 5:12 pm

Ah, Jeffrey. I’m late on this one, but your statement “FORGET WHAT HE SAYS, AND LOOK AT WHAT HE DOES” is brilliant. Also the one about trying to change someone. He will be “him” (possibly, but not necessarily, minor enhancements) today and 50 years from now.

If only I had learned this a while ago. And it would have been nice if you had walked around with me, apologizing in my ear every time a guy said something and then did the opposite. I imagine you’d quickly get out of breath :)

Katrina, don’t give up! It’s not you…

Comment from Theatregal
Time October 17, 2007 at 2:51 am

I’ve been reading a lot of threse websites lately. Most refer to short term relationships. What about the ones where you’ve been invoved for a year or more and it is going so well , you finally believe you found a man who’s for real? Neither one of you are kids. 40′s at least. You talk a lot, you are both being truthful about what you want. You think this could be it. Everything is wonderful, including the sex and affection. Then, out of the blue, you feel that awful feeling of him distancing. Like he’s trying to get you break up with him. It’s a lot easier for him if he pulls away enough for you to say bye-bye., but you never can quite figure out where or when it ended for him. You can hang in there, but he just keeps pulling farther and farther away, until you rarely hear from him, unless you call. I won’t do that if he’s disappearing litle by little and no longer making much effort to be with me. Any words of wisdom on why this happens and how to deal with it with the least amount of humiliation? Usually, you find out later they’ve been with more than just you.

Comment from Jeff Mac
Time October 17, 2007 at 6:40 am

Susan: Yeah, guys do change. Just never, never, never upon request, or quickly.

And yes, if I spent my time apologizing for all the bad behavior of all the morons of the world…well, I wouldn’t have any time to make any moronic mistakes myself. And how is that fair?

Theatregal: Interesting question. I’ll do a “reader request” post about this one for you. (The lead time is a couple of weeks, but I’ll put it in the queue right now.)

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