He Doesn’t Wanna, you know, DO it: A Reader Request
Today, we’ve got one from a woman named Ian who has a man that doesn’t go after her in bed. Not how she wants him to, anyway. Seems like she’s got a great sense of where he’s at, and from her description of the situation, I think we can help.
Ian writes:
hi jeff,
my bf and i are going on 3 years now, and we don’t live together (this is fine for both he and i).
my question is about sex: whenever i want to talk to him about our intimate relations, he shuts down and/or
changes the subject. i know he watches porn, and while i have no desire to watch it with him, i am open to
viewing those videos made for couples, among other things. i am very playful and don’t imply his performance is sub-par. but from his responses, i feel 1) he feels inadequate with the ‘tried and true’, 2) embarrassed that i am recognizing his private pleasures and/or 3) only interested in pleasing himself.as a very sensual girl, i feel comfortable often being physical in sexual and non-sexual ways. however, overall i feel like i am doing more of the ‘giving’ than he is…while he happily comments how lucky he is to have a girl who enjoys giving massages etc…his refusal to talk and take initiative to ask about my needs leaves me feeling increasingly chilly…and i hate feeling chilly! am i doing something wrong? is my head messed up?
thankfully this behavior doesn’t apply to other aspects of our relationship. but again, as a happily touchy-feely girl, a physical and emotional bond hits straight to my heart. that and chocolate
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while i don’t want to withhold intimacy, i equally wish to avoid feeling like a puppy eager to please.
your perspective would be greatly appreciated! i love your site. thank you so much.
Dear Ian,
Well, I think you may havehit on something with your assessment of the situation. This is not a direct result of the porn, per se, but I think it IS related to his specific reason for watching porn. Which brings us to a question that seems obvious, but might not be.
WHY DO MEN LIKE PORN?
I’m awfully glad you asked me that, hypothetical question that I, myself, wrote for the sole purpose of answering it.
The answer isn’t so hard to see — men like porn because it’s less troubling than REAL women are. Especially guys who aren’t totally comfortable with themselves. Why?
- IT’S QUICK – it only lasts as long as he needs it to
- NO WORRIES — porn doesn’t judge him for anything, or make any demands
- NO DISAPPOINTMENT — it doesn’t require him to know how to please a woman. A pre-pleased woman is included.
I think your guesses about him are astute — I think he feels like he might be inadequate in the ol’ sack. Or he might be concerned that he MIGHT be. I think he’s freaked out because you appear to be pretty comfortable with sex and he is not.
My guess? I think he’s terrified that he’s going to be ‘found out’ as a bad lover. And that you — a sensual, sexually comfortable woman — are one day going to figure out that he’s not enough for you. That’s likely what HE believes to be a terrifying truth that he’s been, up to now, successfully hiding from you.
WHAT TO DO?
I agree with you — I would not withold intimacy if you want to keep him. I understand that you don’t want to be the only one trying to please, but to pull back now will only make his fears seem more real.
His issue, if I’m reading this right, is that he thinks that anytime he actually pleases you, it was a stroke of luck (so to speak, ha ha ha. Oh ho ho! Oh, me.) As in, he “got away with it.” But he lives in constant fear that he’s going to one day reveal himself to be what he THINKS he is — inadequate and disappointing.
Here’s what I’d suggest. What it seems that he needs to learn about himself is that he IS good in bed. That he CAN please you. And you seem to suggest that he IS and CAN, but that he just doesn’t seem to chase after that as often as you’d like, right? If I’m right about this guy, I bet you can help “train” him to believe in himself in bed. How? Two things:
- Find something that he’s great at. Find whatever it is that he does that makes you CRAZY in bed.
- Make sure he knows that he is EXCELLENT at that thing. Leave no room for him to believe that he “got away with it.” And don’t fake it. Remember, he’s sure that one day you’ll discover he’s no good, and will one day have to fake it. He’s dreading this. Make sure he knows that your pleasure is real, specific, and based on what he DID — what HE KNOWS HOW TO DO.
And build from there. I wouldn’t talk too-too much about it just yet — if I’m reading his situation correctly, the LAST thing he wants to do is have a discussion about this — nothing could happen in a discussion that would in any way help this. Sounds like he needs to build a different sexual self-image. He needs to do it himself (that whole “self” part of the self-image) but you can most definitely help by being sexually encouraging AND sexually demanding. And it sounds like you’re up for the job.
IF HE IN FACT ISN’T RINGING YOUR BELL…
Now, let’s say he’s not 100% hitting the button. Well, if there is something that you can “teach” him how to do in order to drive you crazy, you can work with that as well. After you teach him how to do it right, whatever it is, you can make sure he knows how impressed you are at how well he picked up on that. (I wrote a post a while back all about how to ask for what you want in bed, that might be worth a look.)
Good luck, Ian. Seems like he’s comparing himself to what he THINKS a man should be. What you want to do in order to help is to let him know that he is exceptional. And, like I say, if he is NOT, well, MAKE him exceptional. This way, everybody’s happy. And nekkid. (As a female friend of mine is fond of saying, “Everybody who takes their pants off wins!”)
Oh, Manslatees? Anybody deal with such a man in their travels? What’s your remedy for a non-aggressive lover?
Posted: November 21st, 2007 under Reader Requests.
Comments
Comment from LA Lady
Time November 21, 2007 at 8:41 pm
I think Jeff’s advice is right on the mark here. If I were Ian, I would give Jeff’s advice a go, but don’t wait 3 more years to see if this problem is resolved.
BJG also has a point, porn has a way separating some men from reality and once gone, it is almost impossible for them to find their way back to the “real world”.
Jeff, do guys really think that porn is interchangeable with a real woman? Are women really that much effort? Aren’t there added benefits to “real time” loving with a partner rather than self pleasure?
Comment from Catherine
Time November 22, 2007 at 8:07 am
3 years together is way too long! She has had the time to teach him the things that she needs. Sex should be somewhat intuitive with another person. Some people are compatible on all the other levels except sex… and some are only compatible sexually. She is not a sex therapist. Staying with the dude will not help him change. Go find another partner.
Comment from Elizabeth
Time November 23, 2007 at 4:51 am
It doesn’t seem like your bf is open to any discussion on the matter, and therefor unlikely to change. The real question is, in my opinion, if you can be happy in such a relationship. 3 years is a long time and he failed to ‘prove’ himself.
Comment from Loiralei
Time November 23, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Believe me! Not every one who takes their pants off wins! Some guys couldn’t find their way to a woman’s delorous if you gave them a road map or stamped the instructions “you are here” on it! I know some men don’t like to ask for directions – but if you’re that lost! My friend recently said she told her husband, “For God’s sake you don’t know what you’re doing down there and you never listen so just forget it!” She now has an extensive vibrater collection. And now I know why my uncle used to complain that my aunt used to read a magazine and eat an apple during sex with him. You’d think if they watch porno they would LEARN something, some of it is pretty instructive these days. I’m not saying ALL men are like this but more than half definately are.
Comment from Jeff Mac
Time November 25, 2007 at 8:01 pm
bjg: Well, when you say it like THAT it sounds so unappealing…
LA Lady: Interchangeable, no. But non-intimidating for an insecure dude? Absolutely.
Catherine and Elizabeth: Yeah, that’s a pretty long time. Could be that there’s nothing she can do…
Loiralei: Yeah, some guys are definitely not good “learners.” That would mean they’d have to admit that they had something to learn. Luckily, I’m dopey enough that I have no trouble admitting that!
Comment from Just Me Again
Time November 27, 2007 at 4:54 pm
My sister’s ex had issues that sound similar. Eventually it became obvious that he couldn’t make “the switch” and he retreated all of the way into porn-land. It also became clear that there were some… mental health issues plus some long-ago icky sexual issues frim his childhood.
I don’t think the poor guy stood a chance at approximating normal for long. My sis finally had to leave which broke her heart ’cause she loved the guy but he was one messed up fella.
IMHO, the damaged ones usually don’t believe in “full-disclosure”.
Comment from Jeff Mac
Time November 28, 2007 at 7:53 am
Just Me Again: Yeah, I’d have to agree that “full disclosure” is one of those things that the really screwy folk have a tough time with. And from my experience with such folk, that only gets worse over time.
Comment from hunter
Time December 10, 2007 at 1:34 am
to loiralei,
I have been with women that seem to lose their hearing when in bed, because, they, will not follow my instructions…..and they wonder why I don’t call them on the telephone often……
Comment from hunter
Time December 10, 2007 at 9:43 pm
to lan,
I can relate to the blog, at one time, I had no idea where to start. Coming from a violent house hold, there, was no time to ask questions about intimacy….life was about avoiding situations….fast forward to adult life, even if I asked,,,,,, few people,,,, if any….., would, say what we needed to hear…so, I would say, find yourself another friend, ,,,,
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Comment from bjg
Time November 21, 2007 at 1:33 pm
A non-aggressive porn -loving guy? Yeah, give up, move on… just run! – it’s not worth the aggravation. If he likes porn more than a real woman, he is a mega-loser!