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    He Doesn’t Bring You Flowers…Any…MOOOOORE

    Today, we’ve got a pretty common dilemma that faces women of all ages, shapes, and sizes. (Well, not ALL shapes. The ones that are shaped like a starfish don’t date much.) What do you do if your man seems like he likes you, but he never thinks to get you flowers, cards, or other thoughtful little reminders of that fact? Read on, I’ve got this one wired:

    Hello Jeff:

    I am in dire need of an expert manslation!

    I’ve been dating a guy for approximately 7 months now. We’re both divorced (me very recently, he about 2 years). In the beginning, he would suggest things to do on dates, and agreed to be exclusive with me pretty much right from the get-go. He’s introduced me to his parents, some friends and has told other family members about me. I took things pretty slowly as far as the introductions went, but they were made on my part eventually. Nowadays, I am the one who makes ALL the date plans, and I actually do the cooking for some dates instead of going out. (We only see each other once or twice a week, which is not enough for me). I’ve hinted about wanting to do day trips or even weekend getaways. I always ask, “what do you want to do”? The response is always, “I don’t know, what do you want to do?”

    I’m also a little peeved that he never brings me flowers or any kind of cute small gifts or ANYTHING. I have given him a few small gifts in the past. He never seems to go out of his way to do anything for me even though I feel like I “jump through hoops” for him quite a bit. On the other hand, he’s said he loves me and he is very trustworthy.

    So what is going on with him? Does this balance out and I should just continue as is?

    Thanks as always,
    JJenny

    Hey JJenny,

    There are a couple of really big manslations concepts in here. Here goes:

    I DUNNO, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO!

    Ok, this is one where you’re going to have to educate him. (Actually, they BOTH are.) When a guy says this, he’s trying to a.) be nice, and b.) avoid having to try to think up something to do for fear you won’t like it. In all probability, he doesn’t give a crap what you do. If he just likes spending time with you, well, he probably figures “Who cares where we go or what we do? So I’ll let her pick.”

    This is not necessarily a bad thing. It’s just a situation where he doesn’t get what you need.

    The second issue is related in a roundabout way.

    FLOWERS AND SMALL GIFTS, A MANSLATIONS DILEMMA

    My girlfriend and I had had this very issue. It was NOT natural for me to buy her flowers and little cards and giftlets and things at first. Why? Because I don’t want those things, so I wouldn’t think to buy them for someone else. Why wouldn’t I want those things, I hear you ask? Are you ready to be disappointed?

    THE BAD NEWS

    Most men aren’t very romantic. Most men don’t understand gifts that are “meaningful.” We think of gifts and things in terms of what they DO. (This is why many men would be totally psyched to received a drill for Christmas.)

    But what do flowers do? They die and you have to clean them up. And even if we gave you flowers one time and you LOVED them, we don’t think to buy them for you again because, well, we already DID that. “No, no, that’s too easy. She couldn’t possibly want that same thing again, could she?

    Well, yes. Evidently you could.

    But they are meaningful! you say. But they tell a person that you care about them! That you were thinking about them!

    I know. I know. But we don’t get that. We don’t get the idea that it literally IS the thought that counts. As in, the flowers are only a SYMBOL of the fact that he was thinking about you, and you want the symbol.

    THE GOOD NEWS

    If he wants to, he can learn to buy you the kinds of gifts, flowers, cards, and he can learn to take the initiative and take you out.

    THE OTHER BAD NEWS

    You’re going to have to tell him what you want.

    No, no, no. Don’t keep on reading and pretend you didn’t just read that last sentence. Sorry, unless you’re dating Uri Geller or the Amazing Kreskin, your man will never know that you need these things. Not until you tell him. Take it from a recovering guy who doesn’t give a crap about flowers.

    THE OTHER GOOD NEWS

    We live in terror that you want SOME damn thing and we have no idea what it is. (And in this case, that is EXACTLY what’s happening between you two.) If he likes you — and it seems that he does — he’ll be thrilled to get the REAL answer.

    HE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE, IN FACT, MORE DIFFERENT FROM HIM THAN HE THINKS

    Here’s what you need to do. You need to get this next part across to him. Ready? Here’s what he doesn’t get:

    IT’S THE THOUGHT THAT COUNTS

    His mind will absolutely REFUSE to understand this. Yeah, even just typing it, I have no idea what in the holy eff that means. Guys don’t think like that. But you have to explain that YOU DO.

    Just know that you’re going to say, “I don’t care what you get me, I just need to know that you’re thinking of me,” and he’s going to first hear, “Ah, there’s something specific she wants, and now she wants me to GUESS whatever it is.” You’re going to have to make him understand that what you REALLY want is the reminder itself.

    WHAT NOT TO DO

    Don’t ever bother getting him little gifts and flowers if all you’re doing is trying to get him to understand that it’s what YOU want. He won’t get that hint at all. At all. Ever. EVER. I can’t tell you how many women I’ve known who try this. They want X, and so they get their man X. And he (who never even wanted X in the first place) is confused. What the hell is this X for? It’s a fairly uncommonly used letter. Uh…thanks? I guess?

    Don’t hint like that. It’s not nice. If you want pie, don’t forcefeed someone ELSE pie in the hopes that they figure it out. Just let him know you like the friggin’ pie and spare HIM the pie that he never asked for.

    Good luck, JJenny! If you can tell him how to take care of you, I bet you anything that he’ll do it.

    Ladies? Ever trained a man to do the flowers thing? (And even when he’s not in trouble?)

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    Comments

    Comment from Susan
    Time December 11, 2007 at 9:37 am

    JJenny, Jeff is right. You MUST tell him the things you want. Annoying, but it is true. (We can thank freakin’ Disney and Hollywood for the Prince Charming persona stuck in our brains — ironically, created by men, I’m sure.)

    Long ago my ex husband told me, “giving gifts is about getting the person what HE [she] wants, not what YOU want to give them.” He was right and I learned to shop for him at Bass Pro Shops and other places “out of my element” quite well, thank you very much. He would also do a decent job getting me gifts, albeit with little imagination. Unfortunately though he pretty much ignored all the other non-gift things I told him/requested (in a fit of frustration I even wrote a list down for him)…and then he admitted to me that he had ignored everything…hence why he’s an ex!

    (Boy, I think I’m the queen of what NOT to do on this site, but hey if it helps others…)

    Definitely tell him what makes you happy and ask what makes him happy. And then don’t ignore the request ;)

    Comment from Jjenny
    Time December 11, 2007 at 11:53 am

    Thanks Jeff – great to see my question up there!

    Just want to report in to say that I did mention to him about how “It’s The Thought That Counts” and it “counts” alot with me. Since then he’s actually been more communicative and thoughtful about calling me more often. No luck on the flowers though. I have to say one thing about that – I did/do not give presents as hints. I genuinely wanted to give him those small gifts. I did not give them thinking, “OK, now it’s his turn”. I just think it would be nice to get something once in a while. For now I’m happy with the improved communication and occasional date suggestion.

    Thanks again!

    Comment from Sassy
    Time December 11, 2007 at 11:53 am

    JJenny, I also would see if he has the “real” goods. Does he fill you up emotionally? Make you feel secure? Have your back when things get tough? If he has these things, I would count your blessings.

    Comment from Terry
    Time December 11, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    Why are you making all the date plans? Why are you doing all the cooking? Sounds like a lot of work to me.

    Jumping through hoops doesn’t result in appreciation. It results in unappreciation.

    Why don’t you give this guy a chance to miss you a little bit? Go out with your friends. Make new friends. Don’t assume you’re going out with him unless he makes an effort to set something up.

    As far as gifts are concerned, I might be in the minority about this, but they don’t mean all that much. I’d rather have a guy who cooks, makes dates, and shows enthusiasm about the relationship.

    I can buy my own flowers.

    (And, Jeff, I agree with you 100% about the dying and the cleaning up!)

    Comment from Jeff Mac
    Time December 11, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    Susan: Hey, just remember — what NOT to do is pretty much the second best thing to do!

    JJenny
    : I’m glad the conversation’s started at least. Don’t give up on the flowers, though. I’m a recovering not-flower-giver myself. (Then again, my recovery DID involve my girlfriend having a bit of a “how come you never buy me flowers” meltdown. So…while I could never “advise” such a tactic…um…it works.)

    Sassy: Fair questions. If the BIG stuff is there, chill on the little stuff.

    Terry: When I read what you said last, I could not for the LIFE of me remember what I had written about dying and cleaning up. I was thinking, “Did I write something about disposing of a body??”

    Comment from Susan
    Time December 11, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    I’m like the dating/relationship version of What Not to Wear.
    That’s nice… sort of.

    Comment from Jeff Mac
    Time December 12, 2007 at 7:41 am

    Susan: Hey, when you win — doesn’t matter what category — you friggin’ TAKE it, right?

    Comment from Terry
    Time December 12, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    No, Jeff, you were talking about flowers!

    Comment from Amber
    Time December 12, 2007 at 12:27 pm

    I’m with Terry on this one. You shouldn’t be jumping through hoops for the guy. He’ll just take you for granted and you’ll resent that.

    Shouldn’t there at least be an equal balance in the things you do for each other, when it comes to date-planning, cooking, spending time together, etc.?

    Comment from Jeff Mac
    Time December 12, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    Terry: Well, disposing of the dead bodies of flowers, then!

    Amber: I agree, it should feel pretty equal. But I’ve also been in situations where it’s all about keeping score. That’s no good either, you know? There’s definitely a balance in there somewhere, though.

    Comment from Ella Jelcic
    Time December 19, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    Whow it sounds like my relationship. I’m with this guy and he never brings me flowers even when he’s invited for dinner at my house. After dating him for 9 months, I have on several occassions mentioned it to him and he has yet to come over with fresh flowers. He says the same thing that it’s a waste but that’s not how I look at it. As far as I’m concerned it’s not and they make me very happy. Plus why woudn’t he want to give me something that makes me happy since I do so many nice things for him. I don’t understand. Perhaps I’m just to good.

    It was good reading this plus his name is Jeff.

    Thanks
    Elis

    Comment from Jeff Mac
    Time December 20, 2007 at 7:27 am

    Elis: I think your guy is having trouble understanding how different your brains are regarding this sort of thing. He’s thinking, “Well, we’re both able to see the same flowers, if I can just explain it to her, she’ll understand, and she won’t want that.”

    You’re only going to get your flowers if you can get him to understand that, “Look, I know these things don’t mean anything to YOU, I get that. But they mean something to ME, and it would feel really good to me if you’d think to do that for me once in a while.”

    Thanks for stopping by!

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