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    Does He Love Me, I Wanna Know…And He Won’t Tell Me

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    A reader calling herself “LoveLife” is dating a man who seems to be behaving one way, but his words tell a very different story. (Any of my regular readers surprised? How about the irregular ones with more than 2 arms?)

    What’s interesting in THIS case is that it’s going the opposite way from the norm. His behavior seems to say “commitment” but he just won’t say it. What now? Let’s find out:

    Hi Jeff,

    Great site! I have a question for you.

    The question:
    Would a man pursue and maintain an international, long-distance relationship and ask his girlfriend to move to be with him if he didn’t love her?

    Some brief background:
    I’ve been in a relationship for 15 months. My boyfriend and I live in two different countries. We met while I was on vacation in Europe. I said hello first; he pursued me from there. He called me about a week and a half after I returned Stateside. Many emails, a few calls, and two weeks later, he asked me to be his girlfriend. I accepted. To date, we have each traveled twice to each other’s countries for a total of four visits. He wants me to move to where he is when I am finished with grad school in 1.5 years. About 8 months in, I asked him if he saw us together 10 years from that point (to gauge his interest in a serious long-term relationship with me) and he replied, “I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t be.” I was fine with his answer. However, 7 months later, he still has not told me he loves me. I love him very much, and tell him so regularly. When I asked him if he loved me 2 months ago, he responded, “You’re fishing” (as in, fishing for information). I then asked him, “If you did love me, would you tell me?” He replied, “Yes, at some point, I would.” He has always maintained that he is a “very private person,” and that he dislikes being probed for details.

    I will not move to another state, much less to another country, for a man who I’m not sure loves me. Further, I would want to be engaged before giving up everything to move to be with my boyfriend–which I would gladly do if marriage was the end result of that process.

    Your manslation of this would be wonderfully appreciated,

    LoveLife

    Dear LoveLife,

    As I alluded to in my intro up top, I can’t count the number of times I’ve run into these situations where a man says one thing and does something different. I could count it, but that would require doing a search through the archives and all kinds of crap. Just trust me — it’s come up before, and often.

    As such, maybe it’s not a bad time to restate the Manslations Golden Rule:

    WHENEVER THERE IS ANY CONFLICT BETWEEN WHAT A MAN SAYS AND WHAT HE DOES, ALWAYS, ALWAYS IGNORE WHAT HE SAYS.

    I’m not saying that all men are liars. I’m just saying that we have no idea what we’re talking about most of the time. Especially when it comes to…wait, what are those things called again? They’re the ones that men aren’t in touch with. Oh, feelings! Right, right.

    SO, IF WE TAKE AWAY WHAT HE SAID…

    What’s he been DOING? Well, he’s trying to get you to move to his area. He’s calling, emailing, visiting.

    And refusing to talk about love, for some reason. What might that reason be?

    WHAT’S HE REALLY THINKING?

    Could be any number of things, but I think in this case the majors would be:

    • He in fact doesn’t love you. (This one doesn’t seem to fit, given all of his dead giveaway commitment behavior, no?)
    • He is exactly as he says he is. Private. Doesn’t like discussing his feelings, doesn’t like being poked and prodded about them. (Could be, could be.)
    • He’s not sure how he’s feeling, and feels panicky when asked about it. (Also could be this. Or could be both of the last 2.)

    WHY DON’T MEN LIKE TO TALK FEELINGS?

    For many men, vulnerability smells suspiciously like weakness. I’ve known some guys for whom talk of their feelings was akin to walking around a medieval battlefield wearing pink slippers, curlers, and no pants. (Not that I’ve done that. But I bet it gets chilly out there, not to mention the whole “catching a broadsword in the balls” you’ve got to deal with from time to time.)

    Also, you have to remember that even if he IS willing to talk about his feelings, he might not know how. To talk about his feelings might be like asking him to play piano without having taken lessons.

    And it’s important to remember — not everybody HAS to play the piano, you know? If he doesn’t like talking about feelings, there’s nothing wrong with that — for him. For you? That’s up to you.

    SO…WHAT IF THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS?

    I mean, let’s say that he actually loves you but just flat can’t or won’t talk about it. (But we can and will because we’re so much more in touch with his feelings than he is.) If you need him to be more demonstrative than he is about his feelings, well, he just might not BE that guy.

    I’ll tell you this much — to expect him to magically change into something different one day…not a good idea.

    I think that the two of you are more different from each other than either of you THINKS you are. I’m not saying you’re not compatible. I’m saying that your brains don’t react the same way in the same situations.

    That is, I think, the key here. If the two of you can acknowledge that you are genuinely different from one another in your needs, you can move forward under that assumption.

    WHAT TO DO?

    I’d get a conversation going about this. I’d do it in person if at all possible, but at least not on email. You’re both going to need all your powers of observation to do this, since you both seem to have different modes of communication. Email’s just too misunderstandable.

    Say something akin to:

    Listen, I hear you about being a very private person and not wanting to be prodded. And I’m really not trying to do that. But I have to tell you that I think that I’m different from you in that way. I’m having a hard time knowing where we’re headed without some insight into how you feel about me. And I know talking about this stuff isn’t a big deal for YOU, but I do in fact need to hear how you feel about me.

    THE TROUBLE WITH “How are you feeling right now?”

    Now, this is important. His male brain will likely think, “Ok, here’s where I have to start telling her all kinds of crap to keep her off my back.” And the reason for this is that in many, many situations that is EXACTLY what is required. Lots of times when men hear this kind of question, it IS “fishing” as he put it. Or as I put it, “emotional blackmail.” As in, “Tell me you love me, or the relationship gets it!”

    You can head this off by acknowledging it:

    I know a lot of women just want to hear what they want to hear. I’m NOT telling you how to feel or how to be. Believe me — if you don’t love me I definitely want to know about it now, before I pack up and move to Zanzibar.(I don’t know where he lives.) You don’t have to tell me something you think I want to hear. Well, you don’t have to do ANYTHING. But I just wanted you to know what I need before I can make life plans.

    Good luck, LoveLife. Honestly, I think this guy does seem to care about you. The visits, asking you to move there. But do NOT expect him to be any different from how he is without a real meeting of the minds. It’s one thing to be “private” but how private do you want your lifepartner to be?

    Oh ladies? Ever get a guy to open up about the L word when he was initially reluctant? How’d you do it?

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    Comments

    Comment from Terry
    Time January 15, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Wow, Jeff. I love the way you consider every angle. You have helped many women today.

    Comment from Selena
    Time January 15, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    I’ve heard there are a number of men out there who can’t/won’t say “I love you” even though they really do. And apparently there are relationships that go along just fine without the words being spoken. But do you want one of them?

    After 15 mos. with someone who cares enough for you to move to his country to be with him, I’d think he’d cough it out by now. You should be prepared that he may never be as verbally demonstrative with affection (perhaps physically as well) as you would like. Can you live with that? Alot of women find it very difficult and disheartening.

    It’s one thing to have a romance with someone you don’t see very often, quite another to live with that person and their personality on a daily basis. Private is another word for “closed”–something to consider when planning your future with someone. I’d take it as “what you see is what you get” with this guy, and not expect him to turn into some kind of big, generous, romantic down the line.

    Comment from Loiralei
    Time January 16, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I hate to (say) “I love you” too even if I feel that way - it actually sticks in my craw! Except to my pets and my child - its so easy to sayI love you to them. But then, I’m a (honorary man). I have an idea! Ask him to come live with YOU first - even just for a couple mths so you can feel secure! I guarantee he’ll bolt! I moved cross country for my sons father and within 2 mths was homeless baby in tow with no where to go. If you DO move out to him have an escape plan for yourself. Have money ready in a place he can’t take it and a place to go in an emergency. I hate to sound unromantic but you’ll most likely need it. Just call it plan “B”. Be ready…. Take care of yourself. When a man is done with you he doesn’t care what happens to you!

    Comment from mar
    Time January 16, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    I endorse everything Selena says, actually.

    I think I would explain how you feel about this, as Jeff suggests, and if you get some sort of evasive response, then I think you have to consider your options: namely, whether you can actually be happy in a relationship with a man like that (even if everything else is perfect). And that’s something that only you can decide.

    (Myself, I could not.)

    Comment from lovelife
    Time January 16, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Thanks for all of the feedback. An update is in order.

    My man had some business Stateside this past weekend, so I flew out to meet him, at his request. Loiralei, it turns out that he turned down a transfer job offer within his company in another country close to his in order to consider two other transfer offers–one Stateside and one in a nearby province of Canada. About eight months into our relationship, we began the “where do we see this going” relationship talk. He told me then that he would consider moving Stateside, and I subsequently told him I would consider moving to his country. Part of the reason for this last trip was to explore the details of these two job openings and discuss them with his supervisors.

    Obviously, as Jeff says, he could merely pay lip service saying that he would move for me. But he’s actively pursuing it. While discussing this last weekend, in fact, my man said, “With me, actions speak louder than words.” I told him that I can’t imagine him making a career move to another country for someone he doesn’t love. He just smiled, but still wouldn’t say anything regarding the feelings bit. I actually didn’t mind, because I was paying attention to his actions, which, I think, speak consistently about his level of commitment to me.

    Comment from Jeff Mac
    Time January 17, 2008 at 11:27 am

    thanks for all the comments, everybody!

    And Lovelife, thanks for the update. I’m glad that the two of you seem to be understanding each other in your own way. Anything that works for you and that you’re psyched about, I’m psyched along with you about it!

    Comment from Loiralei
    Time January 22, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    I hope it works out for you too, but my point is, don’t be a fool, still watch your back anyway and have a backup plan! Its hard to trust anyone - period - with your life, much less a cryptic dude who never really tells you what he MUST know you need to hear but just “smiles”. That actually gives me the creeps a little. Actions speak louder than words - true…But guys…please talk to us so we don’t have to constantly guess and do the wondering about what’s up with you.

    Comment from Lovelife
    Time April 25, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    I broke up with him March 5th, three days after returning from a trip overseas to visit him. Jeff is right–nevermind what a man says, watch what he does. I made the right decision, and I am happy! Thanks for all the advice!

    Comment from Jeff Mac
    Time April 28, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Lovelife: Welcome back! I’m sorry it didn’t work out, but I’m glad you were able to make the right decision about it at least, instead of settling for what you didn’t want.

    Comment from AnneZ
    Time July 30, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Wow. Now I’m dying to know what happened! I’m nosy, beg pardon!

    Comment from mmagnolia
    Time September 5, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Yes-Yes, Dear AnneZ! Makes two-of-us, at least—wanting2know wandering!

    Comment from Marybeth
    Time September 22, 2008 at 8:23 am

    I think way too much is made out of men and their feelings being “different” than women’s feelings. In fact, I think everytime that someone states they are different, it perpetuates the illusion. If someone loves you, they love you - period. Their actions and their words will be one in the same. This guy DOES NOT love her. He is a user and a manipulator. He is using her need to hear that he loves her to manipulate her into doing what he wants to do. He will NEVER tell her he loves her because that is the tool, the carrot, that he uses to control her. If she is smart, she will end that master/slave relationship and hold out for a healthy one. Then again, people tend to hookup with people who match their own pschological needs. If she has a need to be used then she has found someone who will use her.

    Comment from perla
    Time September 22, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    my boyfriend is mad at me and hurt because of the way i used to treat,it was bad .so he dosn’t want to tell me that he loves me, he tells me that he cares about me alot, but he dosnt want to answer when i tell him if he loves me

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