Is it Possible for a Chick to Out-Guy the Guys?
Every once in a while, I get a request that is a pleasant surprise. This is just such a one. A reader named Amanda wants to know if she can get one o’ those “no-downside, no-guilt, walk-when-ya-feel-like-it” deals that the guys sometimes get. Can she do it? Let’s find out.
Hello Jeff Mac,
First, let me say that I absolutely adore your site, you sir, are one very funny and insightful guy.
Yes, that’s true, I am just the one guy.
I have a question for you. So you know how sometimes guys will go ahead and just omit the fact that your not really in a relationship, even though the female clearly shows by her actions that she believes they are?
Ummm…I think so?
So he ends up getting all the perks of a relationship and then when he’s over it, gets to walk away guilt free…
Oh that. Oh sure, I know that.
I want that. No, not the part where the guy Houdinis me into giving him a significant chunk of my time and energy without getting jack in return; (been there, done that, own several t shirts) I’d like the other end of the deal, you know the end that doesn’t leave you writing to manslations going “what the hell happened here?”
First of all, congratulations on being the first person I’ve known to use the word “Houdini” as a verb. Me likey. Let’s find out more about what you’re after…
Is it possible for a chick to do the Houdini-ing and get away with it? I’m not talking just getting a guy to be your booty call, that’s relatively easy, because guys don’t really turn down, “hey come hang out, and by hang out I mean have no strings sex” very often.
Yeah, that one’s a pretty sure-fire method, isn’t it? That’s the kind of bait that, if fishermen had the equivalent, there’d be no more fish.
I would like to get all the perks of a relationship out of a guy, just not have to actually consider myself in a relationship with him. I want the perks, but none of the work. Maybe this makes me sound like a B that’s been spurned too many times and maybe I am, but I’m sick of getting the short end of the stick, and I figure if a guy can do it, why can’t I? But is it even possible? Or since guys invented this game are they wise enough to the rules to see through it? If this is possible, please tell me how???
Amanda
Dear Amanda,
Ha ha ha. I am really laughing at the idea that guys are “wise enough” to do anything. I’m lucky I’m wise enough to find my front door to leave the house in the morning. But we’ll let that part pass.
So, the question is, how can you get all the perks of being in a relationship without all the work? I’m not too sure I know what you mean by “the work.” See, for a guy, when he’s talking about Perks vs. Work, he’s usually talking about Sex vs. Talking About The Relationship. Is that what you mean? I’m guessing no — you’ve already said you don’t just want a hookup. (Or at the very least, you know exactly how you can acquire one should the need ever arise.)
GETTING THE BENEFITS?
So, the real question I have is, what do you want, and what do you not want? As in, what is it that YOU find work vs. perks? And then, we can figure out if it’s possible for a man to live without you doing whatever you think of as the “work”, whilst still giving up the sweet, sweet perk-age? Hard to say without knowing more.
NOT HAVING TO CONSIDER YOURSELF “IN A RELATIONSHIP”?
Again, this is another one I’m not sure I understand. Are you asking how to not feel guilty about doing whatever you feel like doing? I can’t help you there because a.) I don’t know which parts you want to keep doing without guilt, and b.) I can’t stop you from feeling guilty about stuff, if that’s how you feel, ya know?
CAN YOU GET AWAY WITH IT?
This one I can answer, and the answer is:
Maybe.
Aw man, that sucks. I know, I know. Here’s the deal. You can come up with any arrangement you want. It’s all about the “agreement” that you two come up with. Just like there are women who allow themselves to be Houdinied to within an inch of their lives, there are certainly guys who will do the same.
Now, as I’ve said, I’m not sure what your definitions are here. But you can be damn sure that if you can dream it up, there’s a dude out there who will go for it. The last question I have is, for how long will it be fun for you to Houdini your brains out, with nothing more? That’s up to you. That’s the good part. You get to behave however the hell you want, for however long you want, and nobody can stop you.
SO, THE REAL ANSWER?
Sure. You can “get away with” whatever you want. All you have to do is to be aware of what’s going on with the guys you’re talking about. If they’re cool with it, you’re in. If not, do what the Houdiniers do — move along to the next one.
Hopefully, Amanda, you’ll read this and come back and comment about what exactly you’re after. Then, we can talk some more specifics on what you can do, and some of the other ladies might have some tips on that.
Ladies? Any idea about the “perks” vs the “work” here? And have YOU ever done your own Houdini-ing?
Posted: April 24th, 2008 under Reader Requests.
Comments
Comment from AnneZ
Time April 24, 2008 at 8:53 am
To me the real question is “does she really want to deliberately hurt another human being?”
Right now the guy in question is a future construct, an abstract dream. But when she actually starts the Houdini (man, great stuff with all the Houdini verbs, Amanda!), there will be a real pile of flesh encasing a heart in front of her. Somebody’s brother, somebody’s little boy. He might be very vulnerable. After she’s done with him, he will be more so. Or he might be very bitter and she may turn a good guy into a monster, the very kind of rat who’s been hurting her to begin with.
Furthermore, after she’s done with him, who will she be? Does she really want to be that person?
To me, a plan with the basic premise of deliberately hurting another person should usually be considered venting, which has plenty of value on its own, but otherwise ought to wisp away into vapor.
Good luck, Amanda. Good guys really are out there.
Comment from Selena
Time April 24, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Perplexing post. What are the perks? What is the work? A relationship that really isn’t a relationship? Something more than a booty call, but less than committment? I’ve always called this kind of thing casual dating. A fling. You keep it light and move on when you want to. It works best when both people are on the same page about it. Less chance of one feeling houdini’d by the other. You know that sense of being on the short end of the stick? Why do that to someone else if you can get what you want simply by being upfront about it?
Comment from Bloomsbury Bell
Time April 24, 2008 at 9:06 pm
After my 11-year relationship (7 years married) with a “Brokeback Man” ended, I was, shall we say, a bit hungry. Not just hungry for the hook-up, I was attracted to what I’d call the perks without the work: being made to feel wanted, knowing that I could call the guy to go out or stay in whenever I wanted, and then go my own way when that got tired. The “perks” consist mainly in the other person’s being always ready, willing, and able for whatever you want, but only when you want it. (One-sided commitment). Figured guys did it all the time so if that was all they got out of me, too, no body would get hurt. Problem is, I don’t think most women are wired that way. We’re too compassionate.
After a guy “Houdini”s you, and you look all hurt and maybe accuse him of using you, or whatever, the male escape artist can, well, escape. He’s already gone. But we’re caretakers, nurturers. When Mr. Rebound told me he felt like I’d used him, it made me feel bad. Cause it was true. (Which led to way too much time spent giving that relationship a chance, but that’s another story.)
What I’m saying is, “getting away with it” is all about how you feel afterwards, and I think most women would feel like crap.
Comment from hunter
Time April 26, 2008 at 1:12 pm
to Amanda
…try not to bare your soul….
Comment from Catherine
Time April 27, 2008 at 10:55 am
What about issues of honesty, being nice to people and “not do what you don’t want people to do to you?”
Seems like she wants revenge because she is hurt.
Not cool.
Comment from hunter
Time April 27, 2008 at 1:20 pm
That’s all right she can have revenge. I am sure we have all done that…..
Comment from Jeff Mac
Time April 28, 2008 at 10:47 am
I agree with a lot of what’s being said here — seems like there’s a lot of, “Is this what you REALLY want, or is this just a reaction to being hurt?”
My guess is that Amanda isn’t REALLY going to be doing any Houdiniing. (Ultimately, it’s actually not very satisfying anyway.)
Comment from Tracey
Time April 23, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The best way to string a guy along and get the most perks is …. Wait as long as possible to sleep with him… The chase will drive him nuts and make him work way harder… Plus it lets you keep a clear head about exactly how you feel about him…
Comment from Ronnie-The Dating Coach
Time April 24, 2008 at 8:24 am
Well Jeff, as you already pointed out, it doesn’t seem like Amanda’s heart is in the Houdiini place. Sounds like it won’t make her happy because she really wants to find the rellationship she keeps thinking she’s having. And there is a way do to that.
Don’t assume anything. And proceed slowly.
Amanda, why invest yourself emotionally without evidence of the man’s agenda? Hold off on those relationship “perks” you are offering. Observe his behavior. Does he call you a lot, follow through on what he promises, want to see you often enough, treat you well and with respect? Then things could be looking good.
If he’s evasive, leaves you having, stands you up, is inconsistent – you’ve got another contenter for the Houidini awards.
My advice as a dating coach is to hold off on any relationship “rewards” for a while, until the guy has demonstrated that he’s in a relationship with you – by treating you like the special woman you are.