He’s Pulling Back, Back, Back from Sex
-->A return poster who now calls herself “Lychee Lisa” is having an issue with her gentleman friend pulling back from her. Could it be about his new Playstation 3? (hint: no.) And what should she do about it? Let’s get the details:
hi jeff,
yay, congrats on your book! i look forward to hearing all the good things that follow…
in the meantime, could you please help me with a long-term bf question:
my bf (of 3 yrs) and i see each other practically every evening, and definitely weekends. we live close by from one another, so the commute isn’t really an issue. we usually have a good time doing stuff or not much of anything. however, recently he has gotten a playstation 3 for his birthday, and is hooked! lol. i love playing video games, just not the racing driver one he digs. and lately, he want to spend all his free time this way…even when i feel like talking with him about deeper things.
As a not-infrequent video gamer myself, I can attest to the fact that it can be a bit of a compulsion. But when it’s a wedge between boy and girl? Not usually about the gaming. I mean, not unless it’s a REALLY good game. I mean, the original “Deus Ex” was…Ok, breathe. Let go. Release.
My point is, the game might be a way to avoid what’s wrong, but it’s not the culprit itself. Let’s find out more.
he also seems more distant than usual on the affection front. i am very touchy-feely, and equate physical contact with love and attraction. while i tend to do this more than he anyway, now it’s starting to feel desperate. i feel it’s a good day when he initiates hugs, and a kiss? score! sex has decreased due to busy schedules and tiredness on his part (long story, but most assuredly legit), but we still do it with gusto.
With gusto is the only way to do it! But the decrease in frequency…well, it doesn’t seem like a total surprise to you. You describe him as “more distant than usual.” As in, he is usually distant, just not this much? I’m wondering if distance is his natural hidey-hole, and something’s going on to send him there more now than before?
he has complained that we don’t talk much of ‘deep things’, yet more often than not, i have to ask him what he is thinking! he is much more introverted than i, and i am starting to wonder if this behavior is just a ‘guy thing’,
Not necessarily.
a ‘introverted guy thing’
Could be.
and/or ’something women complain about but can’t do much to change’ thing.
Definitely. I mean, especially about the “can’t do much to change” part. How could you?
he is also kinda depressed over his stagnating hopes/dreams, and talks about buying a house usually include buying a grand piano so he can fulfill them (not much mention of me and/or family, btw).
BOOM. The lunchbox has landed. That, right there, is the likely winner of the Miss Why-I’m-Being-Distant pageant. (Great swimsuit competition on that one. And for her talent, she did the old “What am I doing with my life, I’m not getting any younger” routine.)
last night i told him that when he plays video games when i want some affection with him, it makes me feel like i am not attractive, and sad. he replied of course not, etc…this, combined with the decrease in physical tenderness on his part, is getting to me.
I bet it is. Two people have to find a rhythm that works for everybody, and it’s not always so easy.
at this point, i am thinking of not spending as much time together, just to see what happens…and perhaps fulfill my life with the growing emptiness as of late
Hm. I’m with you all the way, unless what you’re suggesting is to sort of “bait” him by being less available. That’s kind of an a-hole move. If you want to leave, leave. If you want to tell him something, tell him. But if you want to avoid him to make him miss you, that’s just manipulative and weird. And not so likely to work. Well, if by “work” you mean “save the relationship.”
i know, i should be doing that anyway, but it’s so fun sharing things with people you love. i guess that makes me an extrovert? maybe a soft-spoken one, anyway.
thanks so much jeff, i appreciate your time and 2-cents (in addition to your wise and loyal mans-ladies!).
i’ve posted before (but love thinking of new names to embody, lol), and value all of your comments.
congrats again on your book! can’t wait to check it out…
Dear Lychee Lisa,
Here’s my take. Sounds like your boy is feeling the heat of his dreams vs. his reality. As in, he wants to be a pianist of some stripe (well, either that or he wants to do one of those StrongMan competitions and he needs a piano around to practice lifting it with his butt cheeks or something.) The problem is that he is NOT one currently. And he’s feeling the sting of that.
So, why does this equal a retreat from you? Well, as I’ve written here before, some men feel that if their life isn’t how they want it to be, they can’t be intimate with someone else. (I’m sure I’ve met one of these men somewhere…hm…where did I meet a guy like that before…Oh, this is going to drive me nuts…It was “Jeff” something…hm….) Sounds like your guy could be one of these.
I’LL BE RIGHT WITH YOU — AS SOON AS I’M NOT A LOSER
If your guy is like this, it feels like this:
- I want XYZ
- I don’t have XYZ
- It’s my fault I don’t have XYZ
- Ergo, while XYZ-less, I am kind of a loser
- I’m gonna get XYZ one day
- Until that day, I don’t want anyone to see me for what I know I am — kind of a loser
This can play out in different ways, depending upon the guy. Some guys become workaholics. Some get sullen and/or depressed. Some play a lot of video games. And that’s all just ME. (ha ha ho ho hee hee. Oh, such a funny, funny joke. Ugh.)
In his case, it sounds like he’s equating closeness with the kind of intimacy that would allow the outside world (that’s you) to see in.
WHAT’S TO BE DONE?
Well, as you suggested, there isn’t much you can do to “change” this behavior. If he’s doing what I’m hypothesizing he is, it’s his chosen method of dealing with his situation. Only he gets a vote in whether or not to change that.
HOWEVER
It sounds like you really care about him. What you might try is this: whatever it is that he’s working on that isn’t where he wants it to be (the piano) — try encouraging it. Let him know that you believe in his ability to do it. Let him see that you don’t feel negatively about the fact that he hasn’t achieved it yet.
If he’s hiding himself because of a lack of achievement in his chosen area, one of his biggest fears is that you’re going to get sick of waiting around for him to GET there already. He’s feeling impatient, and he’s afraid you are as well. So, let him know that you’re with him, on the same team, ready to work towards the future together.
But that said, again, it’s really all up to him.
Good luck, LL! I can’t promise this will work, but the worst thing for shame/embarrassment/depression is to HIDE it. That just reinforces the embarrassment. Let him feel encouragement and patience, and see what he does.
What’s your take, ladies? This one resolvable? How can LL do it?
Posted: June 19th, 2008 under Reader Requests.
Comments
Comment from AnneZ
Time June 19, 2008 at 9:15 am
No advice from me. Just wanna say great manslation! So interesting.
Plus, how much do I love being a “Mans-lady”!? Ha! Love it!
Sign me,
Mans-lady of the First Order (fascinated, enthusiastic and grateful!)
Comment from Susan
Time June 19, 2008 at 9:34 am
I’m kind of with AnneZ here in the sense that I don’t have any great advice (unlike our Great Manslator — see I even capitalized “Great,” Jeff. Pay me later.) Anyway, having recently been with someone who became depressed about his life not going the way he wanted it, there isn’t a whole lot you can do except be supportive, as Jeff describes. Not to be the harbinger of doom here (or should I say “Harbinger of Doom - Mistress of Dismay”) but even then it can’t and won’t necessarily make him change his behavior or see the light. That’s up to him. In my situation, that was a tough pill to swallow (and still is at times). Remember to take care of yourself, too, even if it means spending some time away and doing fun things by yourself or with friends.
Best of luck in your situation.
Comment from Susan
Time June 19, 2008 at 9:35 am
Oops, didn’t mean to insert a little smiley face in such a title!
Comment from Cindy
Time June 19, 2008 at 11:58 am
Mar, you were totally on-base. The video game thing is an escape. Kind of the ostrich burrying his head in the sand thing. This guy is NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE for his life.
Lychee Lisa, perhaps a better question to ask yourself is weather or not this is his pattern…does he avoid taking responsibility when things get tough or don’t go his way? Having a successful life is HARD WORK, and I GUARANTEE that he’s not going to achieve ANYTHING by playing his Playstation 3. (Unless he’s under contract with Sony & you just left that part out….) And let’s take a look into the ol’ crystal ball… Ten years down the road when you have a house, a dog, and 2.8 kids….What if he does the ostrich thing then??? Is that the type of man that you’ve been dreaming about your whole life? If he can’t take responsibility for his own life, how on earth are you ever going to be able to rely on him? What if you & he have a child, and God forbid, the child gets sick?
All I’m saying is that you want to make the RIGHT DECISION about choosing your mate the first time…and his character & how he deals with life is what you want to take a good, hard look at.
Wow, I’m feeling tough today…
Comment from Pamela Tao
Time June 19, 2008 at 12:13 pm
I’m a firm believer — and mediocre at best, practitioner — in having your own self-esteem house in relative good order before involving another in your life…
…again, I’m not saying that I DO this at all, but I’m realizing the importance of that having just dated yet another train wreck.
Comment from Terry
Time June 19, 2008 at 1:44 pm
I’m with Cindy, Susan, and Pamela Tao. How is this guy ever going to achieve his dreams when he spends his life in front of a Playstation?
He needs to figure out what he wants, so you might as well get on with your life while he does (if he ever does, that is). Go out with your friends. Do things you like to do.
It’s not a matter of making him miss you. Either he will, or he won’t, and it’s always better to know where you stand.
Comment from Selena
Time June 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Supposing he IS depressed there’s nothing you can do about it as long as HE doesn’t want to do anything about it. And it could be he’s NOT depressed–just lazy and addicted to video games and using his non-dream fulfillment as an excuse to keep doing what he actually likes to do. Either way where does that leave you?
I’m with the others–go about your life and interests and leave him to his games. I especially like what Pamela Tao had to say about getting your own self-esteem house in order before involving another in your life. I came to that realization myself after my last ‘train wreck’ relationship. Get to the place you want to be without dragging this guy along weighing you down.
Comment from Jeff Mac
Time June 19, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Terry, you make a point that I love to hear — please, no one ever should ever bail on a dude to “make him miss you.” You don’t want to be his heroin, the thing he only freaks out about as a result of it potentially not being there.
Comment from lychee lisa
Time June 20, 2008 at 12:44 pm
wow, your responses are wonderful, thanks so much everyone! and yes, this sad time is a perfect opportunity to observe character under fire…
it has been a few months now, and the PS3 activity has decreased A LOT since my heart-to-heart with him. during the funk, i caught-up with old friends, discovered some little talents to help and connect with people, started exercising more, threw myself into a paying project that just fell into my lap. $weet!
currently the bf is actively seeking better job opportunities that fulfill his passions, brushing up the cover letter, etc…he’s happier, i’m happier, and we are rooting for each other. we got our groove back ![]()
side note: regarding responsibility, i’ve noticed he tends to get right on it when it involves me (if a have a problem, need help, want to do something, etc…) but when it comes to his personal issue, it doesn’t get taken care of right away. i think the withdrawal/depression hits before the action. unfortunately i do that too, so this is a growing lesson both ways.
thanks again jeff & superladies! and super congrats to engaged jeff and lady-love! best wishes and much happiness…

Comment from mar
Time June 19, 2008 at 6:51 am
Jeff
I think you might be very right, I have seen this withdrawal behaviour before as a result of depression. Sometimes people feel very unhappy with their life, and they feel they are a failure, not worthy, and so on. Instead of coping with the things that they do not like, they withdraw from everything, to forget about it, or escape. The video game playing seems to me a way of doing this.
But this strategy is also bound to fail, and is only a matter of time for him to realize this. Eventually, the retreat strategy backfires big time, and the individual will feel even more depressed (when he looks at his new life - videogame playing life -, he realizes that his life is a lot worse than before).
The biggest difficulty for LL is whether he realizes this. If he does not, and chooses not to do anything about it, there might be very little she can do to help him.
I’d say he needs to reflect on this behaviour, understand how he feels and why, and try to do things to improve his life.
Best
Mar