Weird Contact With the Ol’ Ex
Question from Elizabeth, who called her ex late one night, winning the Manslations Prize for Interesting Judgement. Huzzah! She needed to spill her guts. She did, he listened, all was well. But then, this happens:
The next afternoon he sends me a text, asking me how I was doing. I decided to return his text with a call to tell him how much I appreciated his show of friendship. The first thing out of his mouth was, “You know, you put me at about 3 hours of sleep last night.”
Bam!! I guess he’s the idiot I thought he was.
Because he can count how many hours of sleep he had? I don’t totally get it…let’s read on, maybe I’ll figure it out…
He followed that statement with, “But you can call me any time, even if its in the middle of the night. I’m always here for my friends and I consider you a friend.”
That. Filthy. BASTARD! Wait…that seems kind of…nice?
I just couldn’t get over the fact that he had to get in a dig at me for keeping him up. My thoughts were, “If you don’t want people waking you up, don’t answer your phone. And if you want people to wake you up, don’t complain to them about how they woke you up.”
See, in my experience, the ONLY way to get people to stop waking me up is to tell them not to. I don’t know. That’s just me.
I have other friends who tell me that I need to stay away from this ex (we just recently reconnected after not seeing each other for about 8 years), that he only wants in my pants.When we first started talking again, I told him I was in no way shape or form interested in getting back together, to which he got very angry at me for assuming that he would be interested. Yup, I shouldn’t have called. I need to stay away.
Well…it certainly sounds like you don’t enjoy contact with him, I’ll give you that. It’s almost as if he’s someone you might break up w–hang on…
Anyhow, could you please translate? What was he doing? He was manipulating me but why? Is he just a douche? To be honest, I feel like I’m turning a bit misandristic. I don’t want my heart to be so hard that I can’t connect with anyone.
Elizabeth
Dear Elizabeth,
I think you might be on a LEEEEETLE bit of a hair-trigger with this fellow. I mean, I’m not hearing any big manipulation from him on that comment. Maybe a bit of passive/aggressive, “No, no, you can call me any time. It’s just that I’m friggin’ dying because you called last night. But of course it’s no big deal!” Could be a little of that. But I certainly don’t see anything too weird.
Like you, I don’t want your heart to be so hard that you can’t connect with anyone either. So here’s my proclamation:
PRESCRIPTION: TAKE TWO “DON’T TALK TO THAT DUDE” AND CALL ME IN THE MORNING
Of course, don’t REALLY call “me” in the morning. (See how I did that — set a firm call boundary, right there!)
Seriously, it seems like you’ve got your head turned around pretty good with this dude. What I see is him behaving relatively normally (if a little passive-aggressive) and you taking it as a personal insult. Look, I don’t know the guy, I don’t know the tone he used, all of that. But the point is, the issue here appears to be that you were very ready to be a.) super thankful and appreciative or b.) super angry and offended based on how that conversation went.
Sounds to me like the two of you maybe used to, I don’t know, fight a whole lot? Yeah, why open up that can of worms again? Your mission is not to open your heart to people who drive you nuts. And the fact that this guy pissed you off doesn’t mean you’re misandry level has hit an all time high. What it means is that THIS guy makes you angry. So? Seek out guys who make you feel, let’s say, better with them than without them.
Good luck, Elizabeth. I think you might have just fallen prey to the whole thing where after you break up with someone, you get selective amnesia about all the stuff that used to drive you batpoop crazy about them. Write down a list of that stuff for the next time you feel like calling him at 2am. You’ll thank you for it.
What do you think ladies? Was this guy manipulating Elizabeth? What should she do?
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full text of request below
Dear Jeff,
I stumbled across your blog while checking to see who has stumbled across mine. Yours is fantastic. I bet you get more than 75 views a week (my blog isn’t on the most popular list — even I get bored when I read it).
I want to ask you a question because I think your site is so awesome. So I dug around in my head some annoying man-thing that perhaps can be explained. To preface things, when guys act like idiots, I just ignore it and move it. But granted, I don’t date very much, either. Perhaps after you answer my first question you can give me some advice on the best way to get out there so I can run into the least amount of douche bags possible. I’m 27 and feel like I’m staring spinterhood in the face.
So my original question has to deal with my ex boyfriend. Lately, things have been rough. I just started nursing school and have been ass-whipped by my instructors. It’s been hard. One night, I had insomnia so terribly! What’s a girl to do? I called my Ex. This isn’t a recent ex, but a very old one. He was my first boyfriend in college and we were 19. My feelings for him have not changed, in that I think he’s a red-neck loser. To show him respect, I should leave him alone, since I can’t return glowing sentiments on our relationship. But like any person in distress, they turn to those who will most likely give comfort and I did that with my Ex.
I called him at 2 am the night I had insomnia. He was very kind about my intrusion, insisting that he wasn’t sleeping because he had insomnia as well and as his friend, I can call him any time about anything I want. We talked about 20 minutes, I shed tears about my current stressors and he was so supportive. Just the kind of friend I needed. It made me think, “You know, he isn’t such a loser. Maybe I should change my opinion.”
The next afternoon he sends me a text, asking me how I was doing. I decided to return his text with a call to tell him how much I appreciated his show of friendship. The first thing out of his mouth was, “You know, you put me at about 3 hours of sleep last night.”
Bam!! I guess he’s the idiot I thought he was. He followed that statement with, “But you can call me any time, even if its in the middle of the night. I’m always here for my friends and I consider you a friend.” I just couldn’t get over the fact that he had to get in a dig at me for keeping him up. My thoughts were, “If you don’t want people waking you up, don’t answer your phone. And if you want people to wake you up, don’t complain to them about how they woke you up.” I have other friends who tell me that I need to stay away from this ex (we just recently reconnected after not seeing each other for about 8 years), that he only wants in my pants. When we first started talking again, I told him I was in no way shape or form interested in getting back together, to which he got very angry at me for assuming that he would be interested. Yup, I shouldn’t have called. I need to stay away.
Anyhow, could you please translate? What was he doing? He was manipulating me but why? Is he just a douche? To be honest, I feel like I’m turning a bit misandristic. I don’t want my heart to be so hard that I can’t connect with anyone.
Elizabeth
Posted: July 30th, 2008 under Reader Requests.
Comments
Comment from Eric the BeehiveHairdresser
Time July 30, 2008 at 10:56 am
“Your mission is not to open your heart to people who drive you nuts.”
Amen!
Comment from Tonya
Time July 30, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Jeff Mac. You make me laugh so much. I love you and your silliness.
Ok, with that said, I completely agree! I was thinking, “Hey, she should just stay away from him.” and then I read what you said about her expectation of what the next day’s phone call was like. Isn’t it funny how we do things like that?!
I think you’re right. She did call expecting something because she’s convincing herself of his modus operandi. Maybe she’s hopeful? Anyway good call on seeing right through that.
Comment from mee
Time July 30, 2008 at 4:35 pm
quite honestly, i wouldn’t appreciate it AT ALL if an ex from 8 years ago rang me at 2.00 AM! out of the blue! i think that the guy was very polite, considering the circumstances…..
Comment from mmagnolia
Time July 30, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Dear Elizabeth, Mee2 second Friend Mee’s notion!
Your Mr.X might have had a HoneyBun at that weehour. Surely, only a most rare woman would encourage that. After all’s said: HE seems to be exLover, not exFriend—in which case ‘call me anytime’ doesn’t even have wings.
Considering no-connection for 8 years, Mr.X was remarkably kind; God Bless ‘em. Do Self some favors AFTER sending Him a thankU note: [1] Make some Realfriends for midnite-chewing-of-fat; and/or [2] Start keeping a JuicyJournal.
His motives are immaterial to Your purposes. Prepare for a future moment. Luck & Love may make it so that preparation isn’t needed. Enjoy some Happy Hunting!
Comment from Susan
Time July 31, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Elizabeth – first you say you think your Ex is a “red-neck loser”, then you call him up and he tries to make you feel better (or at least tries his best to lend you an ear) and THEN you think he’s an idiot for taking your call and saying he was tired the next day…after he texts you to see if you were feeling better?!
Please. I’m with the red-neck on this one.
Comment from tasha
Time July 30, 2008 at 8:17 am
Elizabeth hi,
First of all spinsterfood does not stare you in the face at 27. Are you by any chance Greek? Because I am and all my friends (and myself included) went through this phase of “of, my God I’m approaching 30, I got no steady employment and no ring on my finger”. Some of them realised how stupid that was, some didnt and now are “men hunting” (which is silly…no man wants that kind of pressure). So next time you think the clock is ticking stare at spinsterhood and make faces at it. You dont want ANY guy, you want THE guy and if you dont find THE guy then spinsterhood is bliss trust me!!!
Now, I understand where you are comming from. When you are stressed out and worried and you cant sleep all those “what if” thoughts keep comming back with a vengeance. And usually we end up contacting the old boyfriend whom we still think we got feelings for. And maybe we do. But they are ex for a reason. And we know it. And yes, it is great to have somebody listening to you and physically being there for you when you need them. BUT lets face it, did you actually think this was going to happen when you rung this guy???
I dont think he said something wrong per se. However, I do see why you are angry. You know the guy! You know how he thinks and I bet you know that he didnt like you calling him in the middle of the night. He was being polite, but he couldnt keep himslef from pointing out that your call kept him awake now did he? And so he undid all the good. The one night he is listening and a “friend” and the next he tells you that he was a wee bit annoyed at the call.
Again, what did you expect??
If while you two were dating, this guy had exhibited those behaviours, chances are he is going to do it again. Think of it as a learning curve. You “forgot” his behaviour and he made sure he reminded you why he is an ex. So, next time you feel upset talk to a good honest friend and avoid contacting him. (I went through the same thing with an ex and if and when my request gets manslated, you will see what I mean! )
I know its hard but unfortunately some things are best left as they are….
From one insomniac to another all the best