What’s With the Hot-n-Cold?
A reader named “Lzie” (well, either that or she had a typing incident that put L and Z next to each other. Or she might be from…I don’t know, Croatia?) is having a tough time understanding a man she works with. He talks, they send naughty text messages, they decide to give the whole dating thing a shot…but then he bails on that.
Wha happa? On with the details, I says!
Just stumbled across your site today – love it! And now hopefully you can help me out here. Please keep in mind that I am under no illusions as to what this guy is willing to give but damn is he ever confusing me!
I almost feel a little bad about how disappointing it’s going to be for you when you realize how embarrassingly simple men are to understand. Ah well. We’re aces at setting up stereos, so we’ve got that going for us.
Starts with – I started at my current job two years ago and the first time I saw him I immediately developed a crush. A year goes by with him NEVER speaking to me, and I mean never… we both smoke and even if it was just the two of us out there it was like pulling teeth to get a conversation started. Anyways at the year mark I move quite close to where he lives and so he started giving me rides home. The rides are completely his choice, I don’t ask – he offers every time! As time goes by we get more comfortable with one another and I start communicating (barely mind you) using other means than the rides home.
Awesome so far, if a little shy on everybody’s part. (By the way, when you refer to the “other means” of communication, just so you know, I’m picturing the two of you sending coded messages with flags. I’m a sucker for semaphore.)
So one weekend we meet for brunch (after some almost naughty text msgs the night before), he pays, we grab a tea, he pays… we hang out talking for about 3 hours or so. As we are right by my house he asks “so is this a date?” I didn’t go into it with that expectation and said so. He says “you’re a sweet girl, and I think I’d be down for giving it a shot (even though one previous trial with a coworker didn’t work out for him)
Hm. Seems like he’s at least interested in humping. Maybe more, but we can’t be sure yet. But so far he’s not confusing at all. Why do I get the feeling that an ill wind is about to blow around here?
OK now I’m pretty happy about the whole thing until he tells me the next day on the ride home…”Actually I don’t think I can”.
Eh? What’s that you typed? I couldn’t hear you over the roar of that ill wind blowing.
Obviously I back off and don’t push him – we work pretty closely together and I don’t want awkwardness or drama. A few months later I point out that his silence in the car has been bothering me and he changes his stripes – all of a sudden VERY chatty and responsive.
Wait…hang on. You’re still getting rides home after this? Wow, are you one cool cucumber. (Or zucchini, if you’re allergic.)
And then out of nowhere he asks me to join him for dinner, and yes waiting for me while I finish the errands I had. Again he pays and we have a great time. When I suggest two weeks later for sushi – he’s down with it, though I felt if I hadn’t reminded him he not have shown. So THIS time – he asks if I want to split the bill.
Yurk. Uh…sure, let’s split that bill. I’ll just scrape my self-esteem off of the bottom of your shoe for a second, and we’ll be fine.
This is one of those situations where everyone around us thinks we should be together…. And they don’t know anything that has taken place!
Oh, what does “everyone” ever know, anyway? If “everyone” thought you should jump off a bridge, would you write into a website called jumpoffabridgeslations.com? Huh? Yeah. Didn’t THINK so.
So I guess my question is – What the F is he doing? I understand that guys can get a bit freaked out when they realize they are heading down the ‘commitment’ path, but what’s with the hot and cold? Oh Jeff please help me!
Dear Lzie,
Sounds to me like this guy is attracted to you, but not interested in actually dating you. Let’s break it down into the 2 big questions. Might he think that this behavior will:
1.)…get him laid? Sure, could be. The two of you text-flirted, went out, talked for a long time, and then when he was at your HOUSE, asked if it was a date. Erm…may I come in for some tail, madam?
2.)…further integrate you into his life? Not really. The key here is, he asked you out a couple of times, and since you’re not telling me that there’s much going on in the sex department, I’m guessing that there isn’t much going on in the sex department. (That’s how I do my guessing, ok? I guess in terms of departments.) But there doesn’t seem to be a lot of calling, wanting to hang out, wanting to spend time with you. It all feels like a means to the end of #1, yes?
And the clincher on that guess is that last “date” where he suggested that you split it. That reads to me as, “Ok, I’m not paying for any more food if I’m not getting the proper exchange rate value of food to nooky.”
Not that he would have to think you “owed” him something for the other times that he paid. I’m just saying that he likely paid those times in an effort to ease the transition from tea to smooshing up against your bod.
VERDICT: NOT YOUR BOYFRIEND
I’m sorry, Lzie, but this guy doesn’t seem to be exuding “boyfriend” vibes. He seems to be exuding, “Lzie is really hot and I’d like to mess around, sans strings,” vibes. Unless there’s more going on here that you’re not telling me, I think you can safely file this one under, “attracted, but not in love.”
How do you read this one, ladies? Any ideas on what this dude is doing?
Posted: August 19th, 2008 under Reader Requests.
Comments
Comment from DC
Time August 19, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I think he’s just not worth the time. Regardless of the reason, (ie bad office expereince, just want to hump, like but not in love…)whatever.. If this is how he’s acting now, imagine how it would be if you were in a relationship…more non-communications. I agree with Jeff, file this baby and fast…
Comment from Amelie
Time August 19, 2008 at 1:28 pm
I think Jeff nailed it on this one. You deserve a nice guy that really is enthusiastic about you. Anything less than that leaves a girl feeling off-balance and who needs that?
Comment from Melissa
Time August 19, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Lzie,
When a man is into you, you KNOW it…none of this wishy-washy behavior comes into play. You have to take the approach that he’s either IN or he’s OUT. Look at his behavior more closely than his words. Let him speak his intentions. When he asked you, “Is this a date?” I would have answered, “What do YOU want it to be?”
And again, if it were me, I wouldn’t take any more rides with him, in fact, I would limit my contact with him as much as possible at this point.
Yes, he is attracted, but it looks like he’s only in if you’re willing to keep things easy and convenient for him. When a man is into you, he’s happy to be generous with you…time, energy (such as, willing to help you move, change your oil, etc), money, communication (letting you know where you stand without you having to pry it out of him)
I’d throw this fish back into the sea and keep your line free for a true catch. You’ll know it when you find it….he won’t let YOU go.
Good luck.
Comment from mmagnolia
Time August 19, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Dear Lzie:
FIRST, stop depending on His ‘ride’ [that is...the 'ride' via His vehicle]. Okay, He offers—until, He’s not in His offering mood; hope it’s not stormy weather, then!
Also, First is His dating-of-coworker history: Let’s get coworker/s in here & share notes on whereto & what any other ‘rides’ of His involved! Am supposing that “down with” defines a goodie, an upper—new century!
The 3rd First is that Ms. Lzie should call Him out on the *benefits* side of all that riding. Accept another spin of His; ask Him 2park in alley, lot, shoulder–whatever! THEN, begin unbuttoning HIS garb; if He’s agreeable, ask [a] if He ‘actually thinks He can do this’ NOW, & [b] What’s the “this” 4Him.
If His ailment is “managing expectations” [merci, again--JM], do Your coworkers a favor…..script a Cure! In Ms.Lzie’s good longterm, Her strong Heart will win—at least, Her own Bests!
Comment from hunter
Time August 19, 2008 at 8:51 pm
They say 60% of couples meet at work, but, I would not date anyone that works at the same building I do.
Comment from mmagnolia
Time August 19, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Hunter, Dear: Interesting origin of them stats, especially if employer-group involved! However, that’s not intrinsic problem, right!. Problem is ‘who’s meeting whom’.
Godspeed, with Your system!
Comment from Amber
Time August 20, 2008 at 3:14 am
Ha! Still laughing over the “Ok, I’m not paying for any more food if I’m not getting the proper exchange rate value of food to nooky” line. THAT is hysterical. Anyway, sounds like he’s NI. In addition to sounding like every single guy I’ve dated in LA.
Comment from lzie
Time August 20, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Thanks for the responses everyone! And as most of these go there has been more to the story! There have been many times that he has gone above and beyond what most people except from a friendly coworker, but I am still under no illusions that he is THAT into me, I was just wondering why he would be jumping between such extremes! We’ve since had another conversation regarding ‘intentions’ so I hope we’re finally on the same page! And unfortunately I can’t resist the rides home! It’s too much fun! We actually have a good time chatting – BUT I AM NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING!
Thanks so much JM – and I hope I don’t have to ask any more questions since I am getting to be sooo smart with all this boy stuff!
Comment from Vanessa
Time September 6, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Seems to me that this guy just want to play with you and he is not really serious about you. Better dump him and fine someone who will really love you.
Comment from Dr. debora @ Affordable dental insurance
Time September 15, 2010 at 2:04 am
its all to much drama for me. i have been married for 15 years now and dont know what i would do if i had to date again.
Comment from Cindy
Time August 19, 2008 at 7:07 am
I’m not sure I’d read so much into him asking to split the bill. If I’m reading this correctly, Lzie asked HIM out for sushi, which should mean she was expected to pay the entire check. As such, offering to pay for half was a nice thing to do.
He could just be waffling due to his other bad experience with office dating.