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Friends Without Benefits but With an Asterisk

Beth’s got a male “friend” with whom she cuddles, trades back massages, gives 5 minute hugs, and stuff like this…but no snoggery-do, if I may be so crude. Then there seemed to be a moment where it was maybe gonna happen…and boom. He pulls back before they can even get started. What gives? We’ll throw the Socratic Method at this thing so hard our metaphorical shoulder will come out of the socket.

Jeff, your insight is amazing and your advice is applicable in so many situations. Thanks for taking the time to shed some light for all of us females on your confusing gender.

Ha — MY confusing gender. Right. We’re the confusing one…

So, anyways, my question isn’t so much a “What should I do question” and I don’t really even plan on following up this event or pursuing this guy in any way, but I would really like some insight on what is going on in his head….so, I guess what I’m trying to say is, there’s no hurry.

I have been friends with this guy, we’ll call him Bob, since freshman year of high school and I’m about to enter my sophomore year of college, so we’ve known each other for quite a while.

I initially met Bob through my boyfriend at the time who I dated for all of high school and most of freshman year of college, so we were always very strictly just friends. Me and Bob have always had a weird friendship though, even when I was in a relationship, it was perfectly acceptable for him whenever I saw him, to give me one of those movie style run, jump, and catch mid-air hugs with the spinning and whatnot, that was just me and Bob’s style.

(MANSLATOR’S NOTE: Don’t try to do it in actual slo-mo in real life. You can really hurt yourself. Or become very embarrassed. Or more likely both.)

So fast forward,

Again…definitely don’t try to do THAT in real life. Just can’t stress that enough.

I come back home for Christmas, rather broken having just broken up with the boyfriend and Bob pretty much put me back together, was there to talk and to just hold me.

Summer came and he was taking classes out of town so we didn’t hang out till the last month of summer. Whenever we would hang out we’d still stick to our odd physical things, five minute hugs, back massages that might be considered intimate had it been someone else, nothing ever happened. Until yesterday.

Five minute hugs? The ol’ back massage? Um…well, there’s definitely some activity in the muscles of one of my eyebrows. It wants to just raise itself right on up at that.

He called me and asked if I wanted to hang out before I left town, so I went over to his house to hang out. It was just me and him but that is also very normal. We listened to music and cuddled, also relatively normal, he gave me a back massage, also not really all that out of the ordinary.

Ok, the eyebrow just couldn’t stay in, “Nothing out of the ordinary” position on that. Cuddling to music…? I dunno.

Then, the cuddling turned into something more of an entangled bodies thing, but still there was really no inappropriate contact, no kissing or whatnot, but I did umm…notice, that something was going on down there.

And I see that it’s not only the eyebrow that’s having trouble keeping the safety on. Gotcha.

At some point during this, my hand holding his ended up on his lips and I was pretty sure where things were gonna go next, but then he got spooked or something and got up. The rest of the time afterwards wasn’t awkward though, there was still minimal cuddling and hugs and whatnot, strictly normal.

So….my question is what the hell was going through his head. I wouldn’t have minded if something had happened and was letting him know that I was willing to go through with what he was starting but he didn’t follow through.

There is no possibility for a relationship because we live 3 hours apart during the school year and are both moving in 3-4 days, and the only thing I can think of that might have stopped him was some sense of nobility or something.

Dear Beth,

Well, there’s potentially a couple of things to look at here. First of all, there’s the, ahem, physical evidence, and then there’s all the other stuff — the cuddling, the massages, and so on. And these are NOT as related as you might think. Here’s what I mean.

EXCUSE ME, I BEG YOUR HARD ON!

Let’s get this out of the way. This doesn’t necessarily mean anything about his interest level. No seriously. It really doesn’t. This happens all on it’s own, and could happen at any time. The area in charge of when that thing engages? Yeah, it’s not really about “appropriate” or “related to reality.” Hell, sometimes he’s just responding to being relaxed. Or on a moving train. Or for a young guy like this, I don’t know, being near “air.” Any of these things can set it off.

Now, I’m not saying he was NOT turned on by getting close to you. But it might have had zero to do with his intentions in that direction.

Now, that said, what he did about the situation DOES tell us something. We’ll get there in a sec.

CUDDLES, MASSAGES AND HUGS, OH MY!

This stuff is usually what I would call “foot in the door” sort of behavior. And women do it just as often as men. I have a friend who grew up with someone she had nicknamed “Backrub Brenda” for her infamy in using the ol’ rubdown as a springboard into lovin’. We all do it. Gender equality, folks. It’s a scientific fact.

Interestingly, however, your guy is clearly NOT using it in that way. And given the fact that you were flagging him in for a nookie landing and he gave you the old, “No, no. It’s no good. Talk to me, Goose,” it leaves us with another clue.

DOING THE DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS

On House MD, my favorite show, they do a “differential diagnosis” list all of the symptoms and then figure out what fits ALL of them. So, here goes:

  • The frolicking run-n-hug
  • Other “five minute hugs”
  • Back Massages
  • Cuddling to music
  • When the sex-o-meter went UP, the cuddling went POOF.

So, if I take all of these “symptoms” I can only think of a couple of possible scenarios that fit.

  1. He’s interested, but thinks you are NOT: Is it possible that he has no idea that you were receptive? It’s possible that this guy is kind of shy, you’re his long term crush-of-some-kind and he was afraid to press the issue because he didn’t know whether or not you’d reject him? Possible.
  2. He’s interested, but thinks it’s a bad idea: It’s possible that he has some kind of a, “No, I don’t want to screw up this friendship with some weird, casual messing around,” thing. I felt that way a couple of times as a young guy. You think you’re being super mature when you think this, by the way. (In fairness, years later I almost always regretted not just going for it and dealing with the aftermath, but whattayagonnado?)
  3. He’s gay: He might enjoy all of the affectionate stuff but in a very non-sexual way. And then when he felt his body reacting — which, again, in a young guy? Totally possible, and not indicative of anything about YOU per se — he pulled the plug to avoid getting into further awkwardness.

DIAGNOSIS? INSUFFICIENT DATA

We still aren’t sure. Given all the info, those are the options that I see. Without more info, it’s hard to nail it down, since they all fit. What does House do in those situations? He’ll treat for the most treatable one, and if it works, great. If not, that’s another clue.

In this case, I’d consider treating for option #1. If you can be clearer with him that you’re game and it’s #1, problem solved. If it’s option #2 he will likely be tempted but try to stop himself still. And if it’s #3, well, you’re likely in for some very new information about your pal.

Good luck, Beth!

What’s your diagnosis, ladies? And treatment options?

Why not buy my BOOK? Huh?

Comments

Comment from just trying to help
Time October 27, 2008 at 9:45 am

As ever, insightful stuff from our man. I definitely agree with the possible diagnoses. Having been in a similar situation myself, yet a few stages down the line I think the first two have a distinct probability. If he wasn’t interested he would be conscious about giving off the wrong impression, especially as he is such a good friend. Having said that, perhaps his withdrawal was a sign of this, and I think the only way to know for sure is to talk to him. Either he withdrew for fear of rejection or because he actually didn’t want to do anything. Perhaps it just felt ‘weird.’ Who knows?! I recommend an open and frank discussion; book several hours for this because believe me once you open this can of worms it may take a while to get to the bottom of and to make a mutual decision about where to go from here. Good luck. Keep us updated!

Comment from AnneZ
Time October 27, 2008 at 10:21 am

I was wondering if his issue is his friend and her girlfriend. Maybe he thinks he’s a bad guy if he makes a move on his buddy’s girlfriend. This would fit under option #2. Maybe he knows more about how the boyfriend feels about the breakup than she does. Also option #2.

Good luck.

Comment from Liz C
Time October 27, 2008 at 12:49 pm

I’m thinking maybe gay? And not sure about it?

Comment from Beth
Time October 27, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Thanks for all the advice. I actually ended up confronting him one weekend when we were both thrown together for a weekend alone. So in the end, it ended up being option 1. Unfortunately, there are still 3 hours between us, but I guess we’ll see what happens.

Comment from Susan
Time October 27, 2008 at 10:47 pm

Jeff, what about Bob’s friend who she had gone out with for quite a while? Does that play a factor in his behavior? I realize even the cuddling/hugs/massaging thing would probably be crossing the “stay away from my pal’s GF” but I was wondering if that might explain his skittish actions too.

But hell. I’m divorced so what the heck do I know?! :)

(Oh, and now I see Beth’s reply/update. I’m divorced and have too short of an attention span to read everything!)

Comment from Jasmin
Time December 6, 2008 at 4:13 am

Ok theres this guy I knew since High School we have almost all the same class together. he is my crush since freshman but you know crush sometimes never work out. I graduated haven’t seen or hear him again. then 2 years later I have boyfriend been together like 2 years before he was messing my feelings and seeing his Ex but now I guess he settle down with me always calls me on my cell we even live in the same apartment building he lives in the 4th floor and I live in the 5th. but anyways back with my High School crush I was walking at the train station and then I felt my hand been grab I turn looked and was shocked that I saw my crush again. we gave each other cell numbers.then few weeks he calls me and we agree to have a Friends with Benefits. we have sex 2 times and oral sex but I go down on him it’s weird but yea crazy. we don’t really each other see like that. but once in the blue moon. we talk lot our past and he could be funny times.even we talk again after sex. but sometimes I think he might like me even if I have a Boyfriend. because out of nowhere he ask me am I single. and thats second time asks me. but the thing is I’m scared to break up with my Boyfriend and to be with my High School crush and it seems my crush don’t want a relationship. hes my first boyfriend (the one we live in the same building)and intimacy and I don’t want to let go what I have because he didn’t do nothing wrong. just the past when we weren’t really together when he was still seeing his Ex. oh I don’t know you think my high school crush has feelings with me?

Comment from Ernest Baltazar
Time September 14, 2010 at 8:42 pm

There are true friends whom you can really trust. However, you do not have to expect something in return if you do good things to him or her.

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