She’s Getting Some…But Not Enough
Ok, ladies. Here’s one that might be a little familiar to some of you. The stereotype is, of course, that the guy is always the one pushing for more sex. But what happens when it’s the other way around? Well, a reader named KC knows all about it, and she’s wondering if there’s anything she can do. Let’s find out:
Okay Jeff. Let’s see what you have to say about this one. I’ll try to be brief…
Background: dating a wonderful guy for about 4 months now, he’s attentive, includes me in his life, and I simply adore him. We do most things together, and we’re in constant contact with each other. I believe he really does want me around…
My but-sensor is sensing a “but” coming up. (That’s what it’s designed for, so it had BETTER be sensing one, or I’m totally returning it for that shiny, new however-sensor I’ve had my eye on. Oh wait — look at that. It IS a however.)
However, I’m getting a little frustrated with the affection he gives. It’s not as much as I would like. Sometimes, I feel like he likes me more like a friend, than a girlfriend. I want more kisses, more hand holding, more sex! I get all of these things, just not in the quantity I would like them! Am I being greedy? Does affection often wear off after a period of time? (used to be more in the beginning of our relationship). Is he losing interest? Why does his cat get kissed more than me?? Should I be concerned? How can I tell if he really cares?
Dear KC,
Ok, let’s diagnose some possible reasons for the current state of affairs, and give you a two pronged strategy to address this thing. Why? Because if you know anything about me, you know that I. Love. Prongs.
DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS ON REDUCED NOOKIE QUOTIENT
Ok, people. We’re back to House M.D.’s method. Well, except for the fact that I a.) won’t be hooked on Vicodin and b.) won’t be completely belittling my staff, since I haven’t hired one. (You’d be surprised how expensive it is to hire a team of doctors that is willing to sit around while you trash their ideas.)
Anyway, the point is, let’s list everything that might fit the symptoms. The symptoms?
- Less physical affection than KC would like.
- Seeming decrease since the very beginning of the relationship.
- Makes out with his cat.
In fact, let’s leave that last one off the list for the purposes of our diagnosis, shall we? I mean, it’s important, of course, but you should read more about that over at catslations.com Let’s now list all the possible causes of this:
- DIFF’RENT STROKES: As I understand it, it takes them to rule the world, yes it does. We have to at least explore the possibility that this is just his way. This wouldn’t necessarily have anything to do with you. Just his natural desires are not on the same rhythm as yours are. In a situation like this, you might have to reach some kind of an agreement about what the two of you need, and see what kind of a compromise can be reached.
- DIMINISHING RETURNS: You ask if affection wears off over a period of time. Well, sometimes it sure does, doesn’t it? It’s not like he’s incapable of affection — his cat is getting totally overloaded with it, from what I hear. Is it possible that someone can feel great affection, even love someone…but not be that attracted? Sure. I’ve been there. But in those cases there was something deeper going on than just the physical. In this situation, the lack of physical affection was a symptom. Doesn’t sound like you’re seeing him pulling back in other ways, so I’m not sure this one is it.
- STRESS: There are definitely guys who cut back on affection during times when major stuff is going on. They’re feeling like there’s all kinds of stuff that needs to be done, there’s all kinds of weight resting on their shoulders, and they just can’t take the TIME to stop and be affectionate or sexy. These guys almost see that stuff as an indulgence that they can’t afford while all of this crap is going on in their lives.
- PHYSICAL TROUBLE: I’m no doctor, but we have to say that there’s at least some possibility that his man parts ain’t what they used to be. That said, you say that you do have SOME sex, so this isn’t likely it. But hey, we’re doing a differential diagnosis, aren’t we? Gotta get SOME medicine in there.
- MISCOMMUNICATION: This is probably involved in one way or another with all of these situations. It could be that he just doesn’t know that you’re not as satisfied as you want to be. Could be that he thinks HE wants too much from YOU and doesn’t want to push you. Hell, it could be a LOT of things. Whatever it is, you don’t know and you need to know.
LADY, WHERE DO YOU WANT THESE PRONGS?
I promised you prongs, and prongs you shall have. Here’s what I think.
PRONG ONE: Affection assault. I’m sure that Gandhi had sex in mind when he said that whole thing about, “We must become the change we want to see in the world.” Don’t wait for him to start things. Somebody’s got to start them, and right now it seems that it’s NOBODY. If you want more, go GET more. And do what you want him to do.
This will accomplish several things. One, you’ll be getting what you want. Always a good thing. Two, you’ll be telling HIM what you want, which he DOES NOT KNOW. No, stop thinking that. I just heard you think, “Well, it’s obvious that–” No, no, no. It’s not obvious. And three, this will sail you directly into the miscommunicated territory. If there’s no problem other than…well…that you’ve fallen into a less affectionate rhythm, this will end the whole thing on one prong. You’ll change the rhythm, and that’s that.
If there IS a problem, this will bring it to the surface where you can use:
PRONG TWO: The Question. The reason I don’t recommend going straight to The Question in Prong One is that there just might not be a problem. It could just be some miscommunication thing. But if you start treating him with more affection and actually get resistance, well, that’s how you know there’s something more going on. So, how to have this talk?
REALLY ASK
And by that I mean, ask the actual question, without the, “Why the hell aren’t you doing what I want?” spin. Once you’re talking about it, go with something like, “Listen, I can’t help noticing that you don’t seem to be as affectionate as we were when we started. I want us to be MORE affectionate as time goes by, not less, you know? And I just want to make sure there isn’t something we should be talking about. I don’t want to make this some chore, but I…you know…wanna. I don’t want you to tell me what you think I want to hear, or whatever. I just want to know if there’s something we could be doing differently.”
What I’m saying is, keep it direct, and don’t let him feel like he needs to solve the problem by telling you what you want to hear. Remember — you want him to be affectionate because you like HIM, not just because you have some kind of an affection egg-timer and let’s get the show on the road…right? Make sure he knows that this is because you like him, and want to be closer to him. You need to say that part out loud.
In answer to one of your questions — NO, you are not being greedy. Or rather, with affection, Greed is Good, as the great Gordon Gecko once said. The question is never, “Am I wanting too much?” The question is, “Do we fit together?” That’s all. Sounds like you’re both pretty close. I’m guessing that if there’s a talk to be had, you two can have it.
Good luck, KC!
Ever had a guy pull back on the affection, but was still VERY in your life? What did you do?
Posted: December 9th, 2008 under Reader Requests.
Comments
Comment from Angie
Time December 9, 2008 at 3:17 pm
You shouldn’t be with someone who is making you feel irritable/annoyed, even/especially if they aren’t doing anything “wrong”! — Wow, what a simple thing to say, yet so true! And yet, we don’t always “see” that. It’s like we’re trying to make things that don’t fit actually fit. You’ve just manslated MY problem for me. Thanks.
Comment from jess
Time December 9, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Oh dear, this one hits close to home, brought back TERRIBLE memories… Thought he was The One and hung in there WAY too long… Same story – after about 3 months the sex life hit the skids, even though the friendship part couldn’t have been better. First he denied the obvious. Then it was “stress at work”. Then it was in general a “lower sex drive.” All very plausible (see JM’s list above). Didn’t learn about his other life until AFTER we started living together (hate the really SMART & “respectable” sociopaths). Turns out he was a porn addict AND liked to pay for strange. To him, THAT was good sex, so I couldn’t possibly do it for him. But he still wanted me for companionship. Maybe he did love me, but so what? It sure as hell wasn’t what I wanted. The worst part of it tho was all the lies…
Not sayin’ this is what YOU’LL find, KC – give JM’s advice a whirl, but keep your eyes open!
Comment from laura
Time December 9, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Matching on every level except the sexual level equals no go to me…I tried that and it just does not work…if you are willing to settle that is one thing but for me I am just not.
Comment from mmagnolia
Time December 9, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Dear KC,
!Your *It* seems 2B mostly optimistic. U’ve got excellent feedback 2put some Play-into-Yourplay!
Ymmy…TheJM spot re-”greed is good” regarding *affection*. The Prong One is the cat’s last meow. Any earsplitting silence from YourFella can make a Clean TKO–sooo, t’is a win-win 4U!
Dear JM, post-authorshipping:
In lieu of disappearing catslations [sooo, like A Kitty], some of us bark 4dogslations!
Comment from KC
Time December 10, 2008 at 6:30 am
Great manslation Jeff – I really appreciate your help with this one!
Comment from KC
Time December 10, 2008 at 6:31 am
Oh – and thanks to everyone else who has provided me with advice/reco’s!
Comment from over in France
Time December 10, 2008 at 1:25 pm
I’m worried the cat will lose out.
Comment from PT-LawMom
Time December 13, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Welcome to my world. And, damn it, I keep going back for more and waiting for things to change. I’ve tried the direct route. Even gone so far as saying directly, “Hey, how about bringing some porn over to watch with me.” [He didn't...] I’m kind of at the end of my very tearful rope. Of course, stupid me, he has met my kid, he owes me money (yes, I know, I know) and I don’t think my heart can handle a breakup right now. But, really, WTF?!?
Can’t wait until finals are over so I can read your whole book, Jeff.
It’s taunting me from across the room right now.

Comment from Lisa
Time December 9, 2008 at 9:42 am
OK I just *have* to comment on this one — specifically b/c of the cat-affection “problem.” You see, I dated a guy once who I really really clicked with on a lot of levels, but he gave his damn dog all kinds of attention, all the time — plenty more than he ever gave to me. I really thought I was crazy, getting annoyed with that (I have a wonderful dog and I love her to death and I love other people who treat their animals right!).
And the thing is, I kind of was crazy, and I kind of wasn’t for feeling like this. On the one hand, every man (or woman) has a right to give his or her pet(s) the attention they deserve. I’m all for that. On the other hand, I began to realize that the fact that *this* particular fact annoyed me — I mean, really bugged me — meant, um, maybe this person wasn’t actually the right “fit” after all (as the manslator has noted!).
Anyway, my point is, if something just isn’t sitting right — even if it means you’re crazy/irrational — it’s important. Because you shouldn’t be with someone who is making you feel irritable/annoyed, even/especially if they aren’t doing anything “wrong”!
Good luck!
– Lisa
p.s. congrats on the book, JM!