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Should He Get Another Chance?

Well, miladies, I hope your V-day was either a.) sweeter than pie, or at least b.) not infuriatingly annoying! Today, we’ve got a question from frequent commenter and fellow blogger, T, who has had an on-again-off-again-now-he’s-here-now-he’s-fighting-in-Iraq sort of romance with her soldier boy. It’s been a rough ride, but he wants a chance to make it all right. Should she trust him? Let’s get her story first:

(MANSLATOR’S NOTE: I’ve bolded a couple of points to make it a little easier to read the stuff I’m going to comment on.)

Ok great Manslator, I have quite the question for you. Are you up to the challenge?

But of course, you want to hear my story first, right? You know my story already but here’s a short(er) version.

  • Fall 2007: I reconnected with an old dear friend from high school who apparently had a huge crush on me back then. We start dating and I find out that he’s about to head off to war for 15 months. We squeeze in as much as we can in about a month and realize we’re both falling in love. He gets really emotional and decides we need to break it off because none of his previous relationships have ever survived a deployment. He also needs to shut down emotionally to prepare for war.I back off. He stays in touch and leaves for Iraq. We’re communicating daily and he’s calling every week. The deployment becomes months of foreplay and making plans for when he returns from war. There are little moments when he seems frightened about the future but then again, so am I. Mostly, its all good so far, right?

  • Fall 2008: He comes home for a brief leave during his deployment. I spent months planning a wonderful homecoming for the few days he would be with me. He comes over and seems excited to see me. Over the course of the few days he’s with me, I can tell he’s still emotionally withdrawn. He starts pushing me away stating that he’s not sure what his future holds, where he will be stationed after the war, how he doesn’t think he’d be a good boyfriend to me.I back off again. Slowly, over time, we start communicating again. Now he’s home in the next few weeks and he wants me to meet him for a trip we’d planned months before. I tell him that I’m not sure. I can’t promise that I won’t become attached again. He is now telling me that he is going to be “that same man” from the fall 2007. That he’d like us to meet again, like we did back then, without expectations and see what happens.

Jeff, I just don’t know. You know the old, “once bitten, twice shy” saying…

Many people are saying that he’s an emotionally unavailable man and that I shouldn’t waste my time. Yes, he turned into an emotionally unavailable man    due to his circumstances. (Who could blame him?) I’ve been told that I shouldn’t even bother thinking he will be that guy again, that he’s just toying with me, that he’s stringing me along because he knows that I still have feelings for him.

Then again, I also believe that he can be that guy again. He has mentioned more than once about us being like we were when we were initially dating. Which re-enforces my belief that his feelings are still there and that he’s just doing what you’ve said (and I’ve witnessed) most men do, “I can’t be with you until everything is perfect in my life.”

I’ve read two different takes on this lately and I want your opinion.

One says that emotionally unavailable men will always be that way, will end up being lonely and used up because no woman can ever satisfy them. They won’t commit and they’re users.

Another says that these men simply haven’t met a woman who’s patient enough, who can communicate with a man without fear and uncertainty, who has control of herself emotionally, who is so present in the moment that these men finally feel that they can open up to them.

What do you think?

About the soldier? I think he needs to blow off some steam before we can attempt anything again. And that’s only if I want to give it another go. I haven’t decided that yet and that’s ok. Thank you!

Dear T,
Interesting question. I don’t know that I quite agree with either of the schools of thought (bolded above.) Then again, what do I know about school? I majored in theater. I actually paid money for that. So, you know, grain of salt.

But to me, the first school sounds like it’s from someone embittered by a bad experience, and the 2nd school sounds like someone who is naive enough to think something along the lines of, “…but with me he’ll be different!” Seems like neither is right.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE?

Here’s what I think. I think it most definitely IS possible for someone to change behavior based on their OWN decision. And one thing that can make someone make that decision is exposure to extreme enough circumstances. I mean, you saw his behavior change as a result of not-war vs. war. Pretty big change in scenery. And while I have no personal experience with the latter (what wih me being a “coward” and all) I would be very unsurprised if, at least for some folks, the different locations required very different methods of dealing with them.

Now, I’m not making excuses for him. Not at all. Nor should you. While I feel for him and feel that he’s totally justified in being whatever way gets him through the day over there (or back here afterwards for that matter)…I’d say that YOU are ALSO 100% justified in requiring your person to treat you right, or begone. No matter what his circumstances.

And this is where you find yourself. You need XYZ, and he’s shown you at different times that he can decide to treat you that way…and also that he can decide not to.

WHAT TO DO? ONE LAST, NO-HOLDS-BARRED CHANCE.

Here’s what I’d say. You two have had a real connection at a time. You know that it is theoretically possible between you. So you’re not just pulling this out of your ass. You already know that it’s possible. POSSIBLE. So I’d go at it from a “give it a real shot” perspective, or not at all. As in, put it all out there, knowing that it is completely possible that this thing will just not happen.

In my opinion, that means full disclosure of…

  • …what you’re worried about.
  • …what happened to you last time.
  • …what you are unwilling to deal with again.
  • …what you need to hear from him to proceed.

And about that last one — what DO you need? Do you need for him to own what changed in him, admit that there was a change, admit that he knows it wasn’t good for you? Is it just an admission of what happened? That’s what it would be for me. I’d need to know that my person understood why the previous behavior didn’t work for me. I don’t need a bunch of apologies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you’re sorry, I get it. But do you know what you did? And if he doesn’t, tell him until he does.

The point I’m going for is this. It seems to me that if someone has hurt you and they can’t even admit what happened, how can they expect to move forward? If, however, he can actually understand what happened last time, and not make excuses for it…if he can accept what he did…if he KNOWS what he did…it seems to me that there is at least a chance to SEE what’s there.

LEMME SUM UP WITH A ONE-TWO-THREE…

  1. I think it is theoretically possible for a guy in this situation to change how he treats you. (since he already did it once, albeit not for the better.) Not based on the woman he’s with, but based on HIS decision to do so. (It was his decision that changed him last time, even though it was in response to stuff that was clearly outside his control. As in, you know, a “war.”)
  2. We have no way of knowing if THIS guy will change.
  3. The only way you’ll know is if you give him a chance to put it ALL out there on the table, and see where you are. No expectations, no pressure, no tricks, no traps, no hoping against hope. Investigate. Just see what’s there.

Good luck, T. Seriously. I know this one’s been a long road. I wouldn’t blame you if you said, “You know, nope, I’m done trying for fear of the heartbreak.” But you know, the heart doesn’t mind breaking. Seriously. Some of the best things in my life happened as a result of heartbreak.

What do you think, ladies? One more shot, or thanks-but-no-thanks?

Why not buy my BOOK? Huh?

Comments

Comment from AnneZ
Time February 16, 2009 at 1:56 pm

War is…unimaginable. Who knows how he has to cope.

Having said that, my Spidey sense is tingling. Can’t really give you specifics, just that Spidey tingle. Possible danger or something amiss.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

Comment from Selena
Time February 16, 2009 at 2:32 pm

My knee-jerk reaction was to say put off having a relationship with him until he’s stationed state-side permanently. See what he’s like then without the Iraq influence.

I do think Jeff’s advice is great though. If he really “gets it” about what he did last time and can convince you why it won’t happen again…? Maybe it’s worth giving him another shot.

My take on the “two school’s of thought” are the same as Jeff’s: neither is particularly psychologically sound.

Comment from mmagnolia
Time February 16, 2009 at 3:00 pm

Dearie T….

My vote = Wholehearted *YES*! Love can be best when it trumps experience!

Best prescription 4Your “theoretically
possible” outcome IS Prof.JM’s *one last, no -holds-barred chance*!

On brightside of Hurts, there’s ONLY an upside here. Of course! set a timeframe. Sure! IF His intentions Rfuzzy, that’ll seem 2Him like an ultimatum…which sortakinda could be Your Answer! Tmeframing is good 4Him and… Gooder4You!

Allwise: Yourway=Bouquets of Bestcheer!

Comment from Melissa
Time February 16, 2009 at 8:36 pm

PROCEED WITH CAUTION If you do decide to give him another chance, definitely communicate your concerns and stand behind your feelings (don’t let him talk you out of them or act as if you don’t have a right to them cos they differ from his).

Another thing: YOU decide the pace of the relationship….while he’s on probation, he doesn’t get to sit in the driver’s seat this time. I’m not saying that you should initiate the interactions, but don’t automatically follow his lead…until he proves that he can be trusted. He says that he can be the same guy he was in 2007? Let him show you that he can maintain it and stay put when (or if) things start getting intense.

Please, also date others in the meantime. This way you won’t find yourself feeling overly dependent and expectant for things to turn out well with this particular man. And follow your gut while you’re with him. If you feel good, inside and out, this is good. If you find yourself feeling unsettled, unsure, and straining to stay in his life, not so good.

And if you feel the need to pull back, then do so and ask yourself why.

All my best,
Melissa

Comment from PT-LawMom
Time February 17, 2009 at 12:25 am

Yay, Jeff. Great response. T, you know I want whatever your heart desires. Hope you get it. (((HUGS)))

Comment from MindyMom
Time February 17, 2009 at 9:45 am

Hi, I just found you through T’s post.

I think you have some great points here. It comes down to two people making an informed decision to pursue a relationship or not. Seems simple. If only it could be.

I wish more guys would find your blog and take your advice. I agree whole heartedly with your statements about how one must acknowledge how they hurt you before moving forward or the likelihood it will happen again is high.

In T’s situation I would make sure that got worked through before taking any further steps.

Comment from T
Time February 17, 2009 at 9:48 am

These comments are SO very helpful. I tend to put him in some fantasy where things were like they were in 2007… but he’s not there. I needed some clarity so that I could see who he really is at this moment.

I know what I want and he may or may not be the one who shares that with me. I will continue to be his friend. I am also pulling back, allowing him to do/be whatever it is he has to do/be until he’s happy with himself again. I will drive my own life now, date others and make my heart open again. If its meant to happen, and as Jeff states, if he TRULY wants to get back to who that guy was and what we had before then it will work out.

In the meanwhile, I have learned quite a bit about myself, men and relationships. Its all good.

He is home now. I did talk to him briefly last night. He’s trying to get settled into some sort of normal again.

He’s a good guy. I wish him the best.

Thank you all for listening to my story.

T

Comment from Liz C
Time February 17, 2009 at 2:38 pm

I was married to a submariner for 23 years. Even in a non-war situation, deployments are tough on soldiers/sailors and can wreak havoc on relationships, even established ones. It’s not like the guy went on a business trip to Ohio or something.

Even once he’s back, he might not ever be exactly the same as 2 years ago, but hell, how many of us are exactly the way we were 2 years ago?

Depending on what his experiences were overseas, he may need some help to get his feet under him. Don’t underestimate the effect that that kind of stress can have on a someone.

If he’s staying in the military and you two get together on a more permanent basis, it will be something you will always have to work around.

Just wanted to say that all out loud.

Comment from dadshouse
Time February 17, 2009 at 5:53 pm

I’ve followed T’s blog for the past year, and I read how soldier treated her when he was back from leave. It was quite clear then that he only wanted sex from her. Will he change now? I don’t know. But I think T deserves better. There is TONS of love in the world. I’m not convinced he’s the only man out there she could be with. I’ve seen her write glowingly about other men while soldier was gone.

I think only T can decide what to do. I would give her way more credit if she chose not to give him another chance, than to shrug it off to fearing heartbreak. T has been through a lot, and given this guy a lot of her heart, and many chances. She needs to give to herself.

My advice: don’t give him a chance. If he’s a man who is really that into her, he will chase her down and prove himself worthy. If not, she will have already moved on.

Comment from single mom seeking
Time February 18, 2009 at 12:44 am

As someone who has the pleasure of knowing “T” in person — and adores her — I know that she deserves to be with a man who adores her. Nothing less.

“T” certainly has grown… but everyone who knows her simply knows that she deserves to be adored.

I can get so protective, I know.

Comment from searchingwithin
Time February 21, 2009 at 4:54 pm

I have just recently started following T’s blog, and from what I have read, her heart is very into this man. Somehow, I am afraid that she will not let another man totally into her heart until she has rid her heart of Soldier. It appears to me, she is not quite ready to do that.

I don’t want to give my two cents as to whether to give him another try, or not, however, I am hoping that until you know for sure in both your heart and your mind this relationship is going to go somewhere, that you keep the sex out it.

Best Wishes

Comment from mmagnolia
Time February 22, 2009 at 11:03 pm

All Dears,
If this goes w/o saying, consider unsaid!

Sexual intercourse IS different than sexual dialogue, and dialogue of every sort is a necessity, especially in Significant relating. That much = Righto!

Prudent relationship is a goodThing, but! keeping sex “out of it” whilst figuring if *ship* is going “somewhere” seems contrary…. to moving any ship.

There’s a need2know [4the sake of r'ship, there's an obligation 2say!] whether sexual desire exists. That’s part of moving on Littledoggie of relationship!

Bottomline = *p2v* sexuality shouldn’t X sexuality of Lips2Ears *chit-chat*.
Soooo, Happy Mouthing!

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